Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Isn’t service mandatory though? Still cool and all but I don’t think he can duck out.
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I think he can get an exemption but may be misremembering.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I don’t know but all I’ve ever read is that it’s mandatory
How could it be mandatory if you live in the US?
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So awesome and unexpected
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Is it just me being racist or do all the finish people look alike?
Hearsky
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That's exactly what my mom says about JFC posters.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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The hell are you talking about? We’re talking about Markkanen who is from Finland.
Dude you are cognitively declining with each passing day. There is no way they could enforce it being mandatory if he lives in the US.
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This is purely my own reasoning:
- he serves normally until the national team's pre World Cup training camp starts in earnest
- he'll get credit for time served during this and the actual World Cup itself
- returns to Finland when the team is out - probably end of August or first week of September
- doesn't then return to the military - at which point he'd still have about two months to do
- but he'll have earned some "days off"; some for completing the running test of 3k in 12 minutes, probably acing his shooting as well. And then I'm sure they'll reward him with quite a few for averaging 30+ in the World Cup
- so, maybe six weeks left, which would be easy-peasy the summer next year
It used to be a lot more lax. But the enforcement really changed a few years ago and now it's almost impossible. I mean, sure, he could get three doctors to sign that his knees are so shot that he couldn't possibly serve... but that would be a hell of a lot of bad will in Finland for him. And it might still backfire, because, obviously, if he can play 60+ NBA games and suit up for Finland, his knees are just fine.
Or maybe go the Ja Morant route, and the military would decide that we definitely don't want this fella anywhere near weapons and live fire.
Well, if he never wants to come back to Finland, sure.
Otherwise, he would be arrested at the border and his passport confiscated. Then he'd either be sent to police custody or straight to the barracks. And if someone refuses to serve even then, there would be a trial, a verdict and a prison sentence.
And if he didn't come back to Finland, his passport would quickly run out. At which point he couldn't leave even the US (missing those crucial Raptors games) unless he took up US citizenship.
At which point instead of a being 100 % loved national hero, he would be a traitor.
Well, most 18yo men that play high-level sports, dress identically and have the same buzz cut would look pretty much the same in the US as well, I think. But yeah, obviously we're very white. There wasn't really any immigration (certainly from outside Western Europe) into Finland until the 90s. More provincial towns will still be quite homogenic, but the capital area for example is pretty multi-ethnic these days.
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I appreciate the insight here.This is purely my own reasoning:
- he serves normally until the national team's pre World Cup training camp starts in earnest
- he'll get credit for time served during this and the actual World Cup itself
- returns to Finland when the team is out - probably end of August or first week of September
- doesn't then return to the military - at which point he'd still have about two months to do
- but he'll have earned some "days off"; some for completing the running test of 3k in 12 minutes, probably acing his shooting as well. And then I'm sure they'll reward him with quite a few for averaging 30+ in the World Cup
- so, maybe six weeks left, which would be easy-peasy the summer next year
It used to be a lot more lax. But the enforcement really changed a few years ago and now it's almost impossible. I mean, sure, he could get three doctors to sign that his knees are so shot that he couldn't possibly serve... but that would be a hell of a lot of bad will in Finland for him. And it might still backfire, because, obviously, if he can play 60+ NBA games and suit up for Finland, his knees are just fine.
Or maybe go the Ja Morant route, and the military would decide that we definitely don't want this fella anywhere near weapons and live fire.
Well, if he never wants to come back to Finland, sure.
Otherwise, he would be arrested at the border and his passport confiscated. Then he'd either be sent to police custody or straight to the barracks. And if someone refuses to serve even then, there would be a trial, a verdict and a prison sentence.
And if he didn't come back to Finland, his passport would quickly run out. At which point he couldn't leave even the US (missing those crucial Raptors games) unless he took up US citizenship.
At which point instead of a being 100 % loved national hero, he would be a traitor.
Well, most 18yo men that play high-level sports, dress identically and have the same buzz cut would look pretty much the same in the US as well, I think. But yeah, obviously we're very white. There wasn't really any immigration (certainly from outside Western Europe) into Finland until the 90s. More provincial towns will still be quite homogenic, but the capital area for example is pretty multi-ethnic these days.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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He’s a Fin citizen
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Thanks Cy, and you’re still wrong
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It's written in the contract the NBA was forced to sign for the right to have Lebron play here that he is always in an all-nba team. Among other things like the right to accept what refs are in his games. You know, the basic stuff.
I'll quote myself from a few pages back, as it seems same questions are popping up again.Some information on Army time in the Finnish Sport school.
There are two dates when a conscript can enter service in Sports School, either 17th of April or 3rd of July. For example, if a conscript is ordered to enter service on April 17th and doesn't show up, then the person is considered to be either a fugitive or AWOL. A conscript can ask for the order be delayed to next year, if he has a valid reason. For example, Lauri has asked for delay several years in row now, and it was always given.
The service time is either 165 days or 347 days (for those recieving NCO or reserve-officer training). Weekend- and other leaves granted (for example, performing exceptionally well in physical-tests (Cooper-test, swimming-test, etc) or shooting (gaining the golden marksman marker) are rewarded with extra leave; I would be so bold to claim Lauri is at least going to get the extra leave from the Cooper-test) to the conscript are included in the service time. I would bet Lauri intends to only serve 165 days
The first four weeks of Army time is the rookie period, the orientation phase. During that period conscripts learn the very basics of Army life; how to dress, how to salute, the military ranks, how to march, how to handle the personal weapon, and also the physical, mental and optical tests (only a small percentage of humans have the enhanced depth-vision required for Forward Observer duties). This is often the most stressful phase for conscripts as it is (especially for modern western people) so alien thing to live by a strict code; for professional athletes the time is pretty much normal life (except the uniforms and guns). Those serving in sports-school this is the period when there is the least possibilities to follow their personal training program (and I have understood professional athletes serving take these four weeks pretty much as a vacation), usually only about 2 hours per day.
After the four week orientation phase the branch of service training begins. For Sports school conscripts this means the personal sport training is upped to 8 hours per day (for example, the basketball athletes do all the normal basketball practices they would do anyway, in addition to 1-on-1, 3-on-3 and 5-on-5 scrimmages; this year there are in all 10 basketball players in Sports-school, which is way more than normal), and in addition the tactical training required in recon. Also all the evenings and weekends (minus a couple weekends spent in camping training in the woods) are free for the athlete to follow their personal programs or to rest (what ever they choose).
If the athlete is an international level athlete (like for example Lauri is), the conscript can be ordered to take part for up to 8 weeks in the sports training camp organised by the national Olympic committee (for individual sports athletes, like javelin throwers or ski-jumpers etc) or by the national team (for team sports athletes, like basketball players). In addition to that, an athlete can be ordered for up to 45 days to take part in sports events outside the borders of Finland (for example, if there would happen to World Cup in basketball in August-September, an international level basketball player like Lauri would be ordered to take part).
In short, Lauri probably is going to spend about 50 days of his 165 days service time at the garrison, because weekend- and other leaves plus the time commanded to spend with the national basketball team add up to about 110 days. Of those 50 days will be rather light physical service the first four weeks (for a professional athlete that is; for an average joe not that much into sports the first four weeks usually is the toughest time), and the remaining ~25 days (aka ~5 weeks) he will be spending following his personal training program (in addition to the scrimmages with the other basketball players doing their army time).
As far as I can see it, the main concern for Lauri isn't that he would come out of the summer out shape, but that he might be too keen to take part in all the possibilities. He has to remember to rest and take it easy at times too
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If a person has been ordered to enter service and does not show up without an explanation, then he is first considered AWOL and later a fugitive. A fugitive would recieve an international arrest warrant, which USA would comply to. Finland and USA have agreed to honor each others arrest warrants, so a fugitive escaping from USA to Finland or vice versa would be arrested by the local police.
This is neither here nor there, but one of my favorite things in the world is when people use the term AWOL out of place, thinking it means ape ****.
That would be "AMOK". Honestly, I haven't seen anybody ever confusing AWOL with AMOK, but perhaps I have been looking at wrong places.