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Still remember Haliburton fell to 12 after being a consensus top 10 talent and people said teams must've saw something wrong with him that us fans didn't.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
median outcome is andre roberson - dude was a full time starter for three years in the league. that is no joke. elite defender with length and athleticism who you keep around for a while because of his defense, but ultimately you realize playing 4 on 5 on one end of the court just doesn't work great.
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I definitely see the intrigue with him. He did start on a team that made the championship so there is something there.

To have those bad of shooting numbers when Wemby is taking so much defensive attention away from you is scary.

Also, almost all of his points came from transition and fast breaks.
 
I've never claimed that Bilal is a good shooter. Please do not accuse me of that, I do not wish to argue against something that is made up....but harping on tiny samples sizes that are negative is no different than harping on tiny sample sizes that are positive. A sample is small or it isn't, you can't pick and choose if it's significant or not based on your predetermined opinion. If 59.5% at the line matters, 45% from 3 should also matter. The most alarming thing about Bilal's shooting is more so the low attempts more than the percentages themselves, just not enough attempts. You can see the lack of confidence in his shooting on film, it's obvious.
 
Also with Bilal he did shoot 36.5% from 3 combined in the regular season and playoffs. Super small sample size shot attempts wise and a lot of those were wide open but that isn’t bad.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
median outcome is andre roberson - dude was a full time starter for three years in the league. that is no joke. elite defender with length and athleticism who you keep around for a while because of his defense, but ultimately you realize playing 4 on 5 on one end of the court just doesn't work great.

if he learns to shoot, he surpasses a guy like Roberson. if he doesn't, he's probably not THAT great defensively and never becomes a three year starter.
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McDaniels and Herb jones are two guys I had in mind for his most likely outcomes.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I definitely see the intrigue with him. He did start on a team that made the championship so there is something there.

To have those bad of shooting numbers when Wemby is taking so much defensive attention away from you is scary.

Also, almost all of his points came from transition and fast breaks.
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those defensive specialists, especially versatile defenders do have value on winning teams for sure. roberson started on a 55-27 NBA team. it sounds like by comparing him to Roberson i'm ripping him, rather i'm mostly just trying to point out what happens to defensive players who never learn to shoot. especially in today's league. having non-shooters out there is really hard.
 
I think Bilal has a really good percentage at the rim as well if I’m remembering right. I like that and think it’s an underrated skill.
 
KqWIN said:
McDaniels and Herb jones are two guys I had in mind for his most likely outcomes.
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for sure. but jaden mcdaniels has developed a shot. herb will need to eventually. also, nobody risked taking those dudes in the top 10. you draft bilal you keep your fingers crossed he figures it out. you just rarely see that defensive wing archetype drafted in the top 10 if he can't shoot. you tend to take that guy later because the risk/reward is more line later on.
 
Bilal's shot isnt that bad. In the lower levels where he shot with more frequency he had good %'s from the FT line. He was an overall solid 3pt shooter this season in both leagues. It's not a non-issue, but it wouldnt change how I view him all that much. I think it's definitely workable to at least be league average on wide open attempts.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
for sure. but jaden mcdaniels has developed a shot. herb will need to eventually. also, nobody risked taking those dudes in the top 10. you draft bilal you keep your fingers crossed he figures it out. you just rarely see that defensive wing archetype drafted in the top 10 if he can't shoot. you tend to take that guy later because the risk/reward is more line later on.
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That has always been my read on Bilal. I think the most likely case is that he becomes a really great defensive player who does enough on offense to get by. McDaniels has obviously leveled up his game with his shooting, but even when he was struggling as a shooter he was still a really important player. This may be his most likely case, but he still carries quite a bit of upside with his elite physicals tools and unique development trajectory. You are not drafting players for who they are today, but who they will be years down the line. I think there's a good reason to believe that Bilal will be on a faster development curve than the others.

I think drafting a wing with questionable shooting is way more common than you're suggesting. Most of the top 10 in this year's draft will have a suspect shot.
 
I think the first 12 go like this:

Wemby
Scoot
Miller
Amen
Jarace
Black
Bufkin
Bilal
Hendricks
Cam
Ausur

The Jazz would then offer Hendricks + one valuable pick to Orlando for Black (Magic need shooting and have a million point guards).
And (assuming we acquired the Mavs pick) then we could offer Cam + Sexton + Jones +28 to the Wiz. The Wiz need a playmaker and yeah, it's the Wiz.
 
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