Jazz draft Taylor Hendricks at 9

[Eddie Zero]

The whole potential thing is funny to me.

This plays: If keyonte can go from a horrible shooter and horrible playmaker to a great shooter and great playmaker then he could be amazing so he has amazing potential.
This also plays: If anthony black can go from a horrible (and unwilling) shooter and a horrible assist/turnover ration to a good shooter and good floor general then he will be amazing.
But apparently this doesn't play: If Taylor Hendricks can go from a horrible ball in hand shot creator to a good ball in hand shot creator then he will be amazing.

Weird to me. It feels like if keyonte was shooting a great percentage in college and getting assists like crazy then somehow his potential would go down and if Hendricks only shot 32% from three we could say things like "man hendricks has great physical tools and a really good looking shot. He is a humble hard worker. If he can get his 3 point shot up to like 38% he could be amazing.

The problem with Keyonte was poor and difficult shot selection. He tried but proved he cannot shoot it with much success, with a hand in his face. The good thing for us is he handles and first step are special and he can create space for himself. He needs to do that more and stop the tough shot heroics, or he will bust. This is why I see him as a 6 not a point guard though as well. I think it should have been obvious prospects like Hawkins who can elevate and shoot and convert with a 7 foot wingspan in his grill, is so incredibly valuable, and why everyone 4-13 will be kicking themselves for the next decade for being pusssy catys

 

[Eddie Zero]

ya but I was told that Clarkson was just a chucker but then I saw him become a great passer at times when he wanted to or was coached to. I dont think its that big of a deal. That team will move the ball and find the ball in the hands of plenty of dudes capable of putting it into the hoop. Sexton can score and is very efficient. same with lauri. same with hendricks. same with Kessler. Ochai was less efficient but in his last 4 games of the year he scored 28, 13, 22, 19 and guys usually seem to make a jump from year 1 to year 2 (at least i think that is a common though. Could be wrong). We have already seen it with all of those guys. We are hoping that to be the case with keyonte but we dont know. These guys have all played basketball forever. They all know how to pass the ball and hardy knows how to get guys open looks. We also still have dunn who wasn't mentioned but played a lot like conley did last year, though even better.

And I think we all agree that the current roster will not be the final roster. I know that wasn't part of the discussion but just wanted to throw that out there

JC took a long long time to share. But in his defense outside of his rookie season, nobody wanted him to do anything else it seems

 

[fishonjazz]

JC took a long long time to share. But in his defense outside of his rookie season, nobody wanted him to do anything else it seems

Exactly. Lauri, ochai, sexton, Hendricks, and even kessler can all improve on their passing and playmaking. Never really had to much or been asked to much before.

 

[KqWIN]

That lineup is going to be great with Keyonte, Sexton or THT at the 1. How is that not obvious to you?

Unless that’s Luka playing the 1 that lineup sucks.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Im not being hostile towards you. I just think its strange that for you to like the pick (If Hendricks can be a guy that averages 10+ boards a game. I’ll take back the F for a B on Hendricks) Hendricks has to average 10 rebounds per game.

So if Hendricks is defensive player of the year, league mvp, finals mvp and averages 33 points, 10 assists, and 9 rebounds per game then you still give the pick an F grade. But if hendricks gets all those awards and all those averages and get just 1 more rebound per game then you will reluctantly give him a B grade lol. That is some majore hostily and hate my friend.

You realize we passed twice on a guy that many thinks could be a star, right? That’s my whole point. I would be happy with 9 rebounds 10 is just the number I threw out. If he’s going to make an impact beyond being a 3&D forward who we drafted 9 in a ridiculously deep draft on paper we better get more than a 3&D player. So he needs to be a better than just average rebounder to justify the price we paid when I feel there was better bang for our buck.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Exactly. Lauri, ochai, sexton, Hendricks, and even kessler can all improve on their passing and playmaking. Never really had to much or been asked to much before.

The biggest knock on most rookie guards anyway that are not good passers, is more specific lack of reads and vision. Sexton had Tunnel vision score first attitude but had he stayed in college a couple seasons, maybe he would have gotten the time to develop his playmaking. He didn;t and all his feel for the game has come through film study and by committee or as a secondary ball handler. He will never be a true 1 without time at the point. If they are more confident in him being close to that and able to get it done over the course of this season, then he won't be here long, since they just drafted Keyonte who by my estimation is a 6th man for his first couple seasons unless he is gifted pg duty, and we are tanking or some ****.
btw if we tank I see a very frustrated Hardy and LM. I don't think we tank at all.
I expect the biggest surprise next season is going to be Agbaji getting on ball playmaking duty with the 2 smaller combos playing off him. longshot but not unheard of.

 

[fishonjazz]

You realize we passed twice on a guy that many thinks could be a star, right? That’s my whole point. I would be happy with 9 rebounds 10 is just the number I threw out. If he’s going to make an impact beyond being a 3&D forward who we drafted 9 in a ridiculously deep draft on paper we better get more than a 3&D player. So he needs to be a better than just average rebounder to justify the price we paid when I feel there was better bang for our buck.

Why do you think cam could be a star but not hendricks? cam basically was worse at everything. He has more injury issues, played less games, less minutes per game, scored less, rebounded less, shot worse, has attitude issues etc. But is more likely to be a star? Why?

 

[Elizah Huge]

The whole potential thing is funny to me.

This plays: If keyonte can go from a horrible shooter and horrible playmaker to a great shooter and great playmaker then he could be amazing so he has amazing potential.
This also plays: If anthony black can go from a horrible (and unwilling) shooter and a horrible assist/turnover ratio to a good shooter and good floor general then he will be amazing.
But apparently this doesn't play: If Taylor Hendricks can go from a horrible ball in hand shot creator to a good ball in hand shot creator then he will be amazing.

Weird to me. It feels like if keyonte was shooting a great percentage in college and getting assists like crazy then somehow his potential would go down and if Hendricks only shot 32% from three we could say things like "man hendricks has great physical tools and a really good looking shot. He is a humble hard worker. If he can get his 3 point shot up to like 38% he could be amazing." Since he already shoots great from 3 then his potential sucks. Kind of seems like potential means that a dude has a bunch of weaknesses that can be improved upon whereas a guy without potential has less weaknesses to improve upon. So the guy with more weaknesses has more potential and is therefore the better prospect. Cause he has more weaknesses.

I think Hendricks and Keyonte both have the potential to be All-Stars in the future. Keyonte is more likely to become a 25 PPG player though in my opinion. I think Hendricks will be a super valuable starter who could average 20 PPG while also giving you All-NBA type defense.

 

[KqWIN]

I’ve been beating the drum that we don’t really understand “potential” during this draft cycle. I get what people see with Hendricks. He has a really nice looking shot and regularly shows incredibly fears of athleticism on defense and transition. It’s not just the highlight plays. Even in normal defensive rotation you can tell he’s just a level up from everyone else.

Having said that….it is kind of hard to imagine him being a star when watching him. It’s a stark contrast to Keyonte and Brice. Those guys are the centerpiece of their team’s offensive game plan. Hendricks will go long stretches a time where he’s mostly standing around and never touches the ball.

There’s still a chance he can develop the on ball stuff. Mikal Bridges wasn’t much of anything in terms of being a creator and it seems as though he’s turning the corner after several years of progress…but when a guy is barely touching the ball at UCF it does make it much harder to imagine him becoming that guy.

 

[sip]

I think Hendricks and Keyonte both have the potential to be All-Stars in the future. Keyonte is more likely to become a 25 PPG player though in my opinion. I think Hendricks will be a super valuable starter who could average 20 PPG while also giving you All-NBA type defense.

I think we should view Hendricks upside as possibly a Shawn Marion type of forward which would be awesome.

 

[fishonjazz]

I’ve been beating the drum that we don’t really understand “potential” during this draft cycle. I get what people see with Hendricks. He has a really nice looking shot and regularly shows incredibly fears of athleticism on defense and transition. It’s not just the highlight plays. Even in normal defensive rotation you can tell he’s just a level up from everyone else.

Having said that….it is kind of hard to imagine him being a star when watching him. It’s a stark contrast to Keyonte and Brice. Those guys are the centerpiece of their team’s offensive game plan. Hendricks will go long stretches a time where he’s mostly standing around and never touches the ball.

There’s still a chance he can develop the on ball stuff. Mikal Bridges wasn’t much of anything in terms of being a creator and it seems as though he’s turning the corner after several years of progress…but when a guy is barely touching the ball at UCF it does make it much harder to imagine him becoming that guy.

Agreed. I feel like if hendricks would have just took way more difficult off the dribble shots with defenders all around and drove into the teeth of defense and thew up a bunch of garbage and had bad efficiency then people might think he has more star potential lol.
Instead he did what the coach and team wanted, played within the system and did what he did very well. Seems like that hurt his star potential.

 

[kcgar]

Unless that’s Luka playing the 1 that lineup sucks.

If only it would have been

Ochai
Coulibaly
Lauri
Kessler

Then it would have been totally different and not sucky, right? People are so weird on here.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If only it would have been

Ochai
Coulibaly
Lauri
Kessler

Then it would have been totally different and not sucky, right? People are so weird on here.

THT in that lineup becomes Luka on steroids

 

[Elizah Huge]

If only it would have been

Ochai
Coulibaly
Lauri
Kessler

Then it would have been totally different and not sucky, right? People are so weird on here.

Lol seriously though.

 

[KqWIN]

If only it would have been

Ochai
Coulibaly
Lauri
Kessler

Then it would have been totally different and not sucky, right? People are so weird on here.

Ochai is the problem here. Also, if you can't see that the problem is with the fit and not the player ability you're an idiot.

 

[KqWIN]

Agreed. I feel like if hendricks would have just took way more difficult off the dribble shots with defenders all around and drove into the teeth of defense and thew up a bunch of garbage and had bad efficiency then people might think he has more star potential lol.
Instead he did what the coach and team wanted, played within the system and did what he did very well. Seems like that hurt his star potential.

Well, it begs the question....why did Hendricks have no on ball responsibility at UCF whereas Keyonte and Brice were 30 USG guys in power conferences.

 

[KqWIN]

Don't get me wrong, that lineup is really freaking good with Luka....but are we really going to say that having 4 non-ball handlers isn't a bad thing?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

THT in that lineup becomes Luka on steroids

I think autocorrect got ya… you meant “THT would be Luka’s hemorrhoids in that lineup” right?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Ochai is the problem here. Also, if you can't see that the problem is with the fit and not the player ability you're an idiot.

Ochai’s #2 hater doing nasty work.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I’ve been beating the drum that we don’t really understand “potential” during this draft cycle. I get what people see with Hendricks. He has a really nice looking shot and regularly shows incredibly fears of athleticism on defense and transition. It’s not just the highlight plays. Even in normal defensive rotation you can tell he’s just a level up from everyone else.

Having said that….it is kind of hard to imagine him being a star when watching him. It’s a stark contrast to Keyonte and Brice. Those guys are the centerpiece of their team’s offensive game plan. Hendricks will go long stretches a time where he’s mostly standing around and never touches the ball.

There’s still a chance he can develop the on ball stuff. Mikal Bridges wasn’t much of anything in terms of being a creator and it seems as though he’s turning the corner after several years of progress…but when a guy is barely touching the ball at UCF it does make it much harder to imagine him becoming that guy.

I agree with you regarding both Hendricks and George. But that doesn’t mean it’s still isn’t just a silly opinion, and probably entirely unfair to Hendricks.