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John Stockton Claims Medicine is Bad

Red said:
When you talk to others on this board, in the piss poor way you do, you will get reactions now and then. You’ve triggered, in myself, angry responses to you, and more than once. If you look at all your venomous comments to others, what do you expect? Do you provide any reasons at all for people to act kindly toward you, here on this board? I just think it must get tiring at times trying to maintain the standard of extreme venom toward others that you seem to insist upon, all the while whining about how bullied you are. Hey, if that’s what you enjoy doing I guess, just don’t know what the point of it all is.
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Right back at you. I'm not the one fascistly hating people and wishing death and jail on others. I feel I given equal response to the ones who have continually called people cultist, Nazis, tribalist, racist, transphobe, mentally ill. I sure have never threatened to kill Biden. That just as extremest as the Jan 6th f* tards. That's a whole nother level of hatred towards others. I digress on that.

I mean you guys start threads calling others transphobes for someone like me simply saying I disagree with pushing sexuality on children. I couldn't care less about a persons gender but when you start mutilating kids that are still developing, that's insane to me. Thats not a phobia, staring threads calling people f* up names is using bullying tactics to shut people up. Then when they say they are "coming for children", that's just wrong no matter the intent. Right, left, black, white, when you start saying your coming for others children, you are gross. We can't even support factual biology without getting called transphobes. I can't sit here and say men are biologically different than women and shouldn't play women's sports without being a transphobe.

I admit that I push buttons but there is reason why there a so few Republicans around here. Its the way this board is intolerant towards anyone who thinks differently. Now it may be childish but I like to respond in kind and watch you guys play the victim. The only time I've ever been a little pissed was when some loser blamed me for his failures as a father and went as far as wishing death and jail on me. How am supposed to respond? When you guys have called my family, friends and even your own family cultist hundreds, literally hundreds of times for being a Republican and supporting Trump. That's the definition of a bigot. Again... I am guilty myself but I didn't start this name calling.

I didn't start the hoax about Russia. You guys sit here and mockingly say "but arrest were made" and I ask what arrest and he runs away like he always does. It's completely documented that there was literally evidence fabricated out of thin air and both Hillary and Obama pushed it. Now you guys suddenly need all of this evidence when it's so blatant that Biden is every bit as corrupt as you pushed Trump to be. You impeaching Trump over the dumbest **** was every bit as decisive as anything most Trump supporters are guilty of. Is there a faction of radical ******* Trump supporters? Yeah but that goes both ways .

Of course I'm not going to be nice to people who spend 6 years pushing a blatant hoax fabricated by the Hillary campaign. You guys are every bit as divisive with that stunt.

During Covid you sat here and demeaned anyone who questioned anything. You sit and say it didn't happen but it did. I got flat out hate for questioning the impossibility of a virus popping up 700 feet from a lab. I got hate because I was aware that cloth mask were basically useless. I was hated on brutally for suggesting natural immunity which was extremely effective. People like Joe Rogan were fascistly tried to be cancelled because he made his own decisions and took a noble peace winning drug not a 8 month old vaccine. You can't sit here and say this wasn't a discussion here. You were not in my shoes.

So am I a little bitter towards these people? Yeah. Especially when they were wrong in pretty much every aspect above. I didn't force mask. I didn't force vaccines. I didn't hate John Stockton. I didn't call others cultist. I didn't push the Steele Dossier which was literally Russian. I didn't spread vile hatred towards unvaccinated.

You guys did. Now you all deny it.
 
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Red said:
When you talk to others on this board, in the piss poor way you do, you will get reactions now and then. You’ve triggered, in myself, angry responses to you, and more than once. If you look at all your venomous comments to others, what do you expect? Do you provide any reasons at all for people to act kindly toward you, here on this board? I just think it must get tiring at times trying to maintain the standard of extreme venom toward others that you seem to insist upon, all the while whining about how bullied you are. Hey, if that’s what you enjoy doing I guess, just don’t know what the point of it all is.
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It's not hard at all. He's a troll. He feeds on the venom. Loves it when he gets hostile responses. Gets his jollies off of making people mad so he can laugh about how clever he is with his other keyboard warrior buddies. Best to just let it go.
 
LogGrad98 said:
It's not hard at all. He's a troll. He feeds on the venom. Loves it when he gets hostile responses. Gets his jollies off of making people mad so he can laugh about how clever he is with his other keyboard warrior buddies. Best to just let it go.
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Hostile response while whining about hostile responses lololol...Bullies crying to mom about being bullied lol. Me? I can fight and make a point, you can't.
 
Medical mistakes account for as many as 250,000 deaths annually in the United States , making it the third leading cause of death.

So in some way yes the inappropriate use of medicines can be pretty freaking bad. Maybe that's what he so clumsily was trying to point out. Or not
 
Douchebag K said:
Medical mistakes account for as many as 250,000 deaths annually in the United States , making it the third leading cause of death.

So in some way yes the inappropriate use of medicines can be pretty freaking bad. Maybe that's what he so clumsily was trying to point out. Or not
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He said he had proof of 10s of thousands of deaths from the vaccine when he did not have such proof. He lied and/or is lost in delusion.
 
Douchebag K said:
Medical mistakes account for as many as 250,000 deaths annually in the United States , making it the third leading cause of death.

So in some way yes the inappropriate use of medicines can be pretty freaking bad. Maybe that's what he so clumsily was trying to point out. Or not
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Would be interesting to factor in how many of those 250,000 deaths would have happened with no intervention at all from the medicine. In other words im guessing that sometimes someone is having a heart attack that would kill them. They get taken to the hospital and a mistake is made and they die. But they would have died anyway if they weren't taken to the hospital in the first place.
"medical mistake" is pretty vague and extremely lacking in data. So many scenarios fall under that category.

I would also guess that the medical community saves way more lives than 250,000 each year. Its by far advantageous to have modern medicine.

Btw I saw your "maybe" and "or not" at the end of the post.
 
fishonjazz said:
Would be interesting to factor in how many of those 250,000 deaths would have happened with no intervention at all from the medicine. In other words im guessing that sometimes someone is having a heart attack that would kill them. They get taken to the hospital and a mistake is made and they die. But they would have died anyway if they weren't taken to the hospital in the first place.
"medical mistake" is pretty vague and extremely lacking in data. So many scenarios fall under that category.

I would also guess that the medical community saves way more lives than 250,000 each year. Its by far advantageous to have modern medicine.

Btw I saw your "maybe" and "or not" at the end of the post.
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Yeah a lot of people in hospitals are there because of severe health issues. I bet the thing that kills them would be unlikely to kill a healthy person in their 20s.

I've been going to hospitals for work for about a year and a half now and I can say that there are a lot of old people at hospitals, 70s, 80s. A lot.
 
Douchebag K said:
dude that's why i put the "or not" at the end I don't know what tf he was getting at
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Well he wasn't pointing out medical mistakes, he was saying specifically that the vaccine caused 10s of thousands of deaths, amongst athletes if I remember correctly. He claimed to have proof, which he doesn't because no such thing happened.
 
fishonjazz said:
Would be interesting to factor in how many of those 250,000 deaths would have happened with no intervention at all from the medicine. In other words im guessing that sometimes someone is having a heart attack that would kill them. They get taken to the hospital and a mistake is made and they die. But they would have died anyway if they weren't taken to the hospital in the first place.
"medical mistake" is pretty vague and extremely lacking in data. So many scenarios fall under that category.

I would also guess that the medical community saves way more lives than 250,000 each year. Its by far advantageous to have modern medicine.

Btw I saw your "maybe" and "or not" at the end of the post.
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i think you'd be surprised how many are really just errors of judgement / process. Of course there are a lot who'd be on their way out at the end of their life but it's also routinely estimated that only 10-20% of medical mistakes are actually reported. I'll try to find some more details on it.

I also think it's really important that it's not just accepted as collateral damage and that it's ok because medicine saves way more lives that it takes but that it's closely examined to see how these mistakes can be minimised. Because the definition of a medical mistake includes "preventable" Unfortunately financial interests hamper that aspect.
 
Gameface said:
Well he wasn't pointing out medical mistakes, he was saying specifically that the vaccine caused 10s of thousands of deaths, amongst athletes if I remember correctly. He claimed to have proof, which he doesn't because no such thing happened.
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he doesn't have proof for sure, he defn seems to be on the lunatic fringe of that issue. I was more referring to the general statement that "medicine is bad" or "medicine is good" as a philosophical concept. It's also true that cardiac issues have exploded post Covid and Covid vaccination and nobody knows why for sure because there aren't any longer term placebo controlled studies of the Covid vaccines and there's the effects of Covid itself. It's a messy scenario all round.

as you know i'm more on the other side of the vaccine viewpoint than you but i get pretty tired of people who carry on about it every time anyone dies of a heart attack as if it never happened before
 
Douchebag K said:
It's also true that cardiac issues have exploded post Covid and Covid vaccination and nobody knows why for sure because there aren't any longer term placebo controlled studies of the Covid vaccines and there's the effects of Covid itself. It's a messy scenario all round.
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It might also be related to other behavior around the pandemic. There's a lot more working from home now, and not everyone is exercising to make up the difference.

Douchebag K said:
as you know i'm more on the other side of the vaccine viewpoint than you but i get pretty tired of people who carry on about it every time anyone dies of a heart attack as if it never happened before
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Most issues are more complicated than two sides.
 
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