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they switched to powered respirators which solved the problem.
OMG can you imagine the outrage by those on the right if the government try to get them to wear powered respirators? If they thought masks were a huge hinderance and inconvenience then holy hell they would hate that.
 
OMG can you imagine the outrage by those on the right if the government try to get them to wear powered respirators? If they thought masks were a huge hinderance and inconvenience then holy hell they would hate that.
what if the government incorporated the powered respirators into dinosaur costumes?

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First, it isn't government encouraging people that is ineffective, but comparing transmission in similar environments where people were universally masked versus transmission rates where no one masked. If you look at the attempts to talk around the data you'll see their primary argument is that people weren't wearing masks correctly, not that they weren't wearing them because they were wearing them. The masks on their faces did not make a measurable difference in the transmission of modern variants of COVID.
The review in question.

Authors' conclusions​

The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly relevant to the measurement of effectiveness, especially in the elderly and in young children.
The study authors mentioned that their findings were limited by the issue of mask adherence. People aren't talking around the data, they are referring to the study in this regard. Secondly, data in this study comes from pre-covid, early covid, and late covid. The authors made no mention of decreasing mask effectiveness over time. You have presented no evidence that masking has become less effective over time.

There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect. The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection. Hand hygiene is likely to modestly reduce the burden of respiratory illness, and although this effect was also present when ILI and laboratory‐confirmed influenza were analysed separately, it was not found to be a significant difference for the latter two outcomes. Harms associated with physical interventions were under‐investigated.

Secondly, that is the opposite of being false and dangerous. When hospitals noticed that N95 masks were no longer an effective countermeasure for stopping their staff from getting COVID, they switched to powered respirators which solved the problem. Taking in data, recognizing a changing situation, and adapting to the changes should not be condemned. It should be the goal.
All the hospital staff treating covid were/are walking around with powered respirators? I think not.
 
All the hospital staff treating covid were/are walking around with powered respirators? I think not.
They were at all the hospitals in my area. I came about the information of N95 masks becoming less effective against modern variants because I saw hospital staff wearing the things and asked. They didn't look like most of the images of powered respirators I find online, but instead looked to be like a canister on their belt with a hose leading to a clear, soft plastic bubble on their head. They looked like girls in hair dryers at a beauty salon with the thing on their head pulled down to their neck instead of their hairline. Their faces were clearly visible and you could hear them talk. For communication with patients and family it actually worked better than a mask.
 

Just weeks into the new school year, districts in multiple states are canceling in-person classes for several weeks due to respiratory viruses, including COVID-19, among students and staff.

Two school districts in Kentucky -- Lee County School District and Magoffin County Schools -- said they were closing due to "widespread illness."

"Lee County had a surge of cases and attendance dropped below the threshold needed to stay open, so they closed."
 

Just weeks into the new school year, districts in multiple states are canceling in-person classes for several weeks due to respiratory viruses, including COVID-19, among students and staff.

Two school districts in Kentucky -- Lee County School District and Magoffin County Schools -- said they were closing due to "widespread illness."

"Lee County had a surge of cases and attendance dropped below the threshold needed to stay open, so they closed."

so this is the new norm ?? geez
 
WWII was a national crisis. Fair to say. Our federal government asked its citizens to help in the effort at home. Many women did, and were known as “Rosie the Riverter”. I wonder how many women in America, at that time, reacted with their nation’s call with “screw the war effort. This isn’t my war. How dare the govt. ask anything of me”? I guess there must have been some, pro-Nazis certainly, but the selflessness by all the “Rosie’s” in America is part of that war’s history. Can’t really say selflessness by Americans stands out in the same way in the reaction to the pandemic.


That’s what I’m talking about. The astonishing selfishness of so many Americans when their government asked all of us to fight this pandemic together. I noticed. Others noticed. It too will be a part of the written history of this crisis.

dude all i was talking about was the bizarre conflicts of interest / blatant pay for play that exists in particularly the US healthcare system.
 
dude all i was talking about was the bizarre conflicts of interest / blatant pay for play that exists in particularly the US healthcare system.
OK, sorry for introducing something unrelated to what you were talking about, if you say so. But, as I was sorta saying at the time, over and above all of that, over and above what you’re saying, there was a response by the American public that reflected the divisions in our society, the non-civic, selfish nature of which, surprised me at the time. Forgive me for making that point in a reply to you. The Rosie the Riveter reference was just to point out what American civic mindedness looked like in a far more united era than the one were living through presently.

Geez, just rechecked, my reply was not a direct reply to your remarks. Inspired by them, no doubt, yes, but not a direct reply, and what I did post, regarding an example of a well known civic minded selfless response at a critical time in American history, compared to the initial response to CDC recommendations for Covid, is relevant to the thread subject. If of no interest to anyone, that I can appreciate, I don’t expect everyone to be interested in the same angles of this subject that I am, but my comments were still relevant within this thread, whether anyone or no one is interested in the point I raised…..
 
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I believe we as Americans can all agree that cancer is bad. Can't think of anything else we would all agree about.

And yes, our medical system is ridiculous.
 
So Joe declared that Covid was over and he defeated it. Now he's asking for another couple billion dollars for a new vaccine "one that works" lol because there's a slight variation from the Omicron strain. You know it makes sense
 
So Joe declared that Covid was over and he defeated it. Now he's asking for another couple billion dollars for a new vaccine "one that works" lol because there's a slight variation from the Omicron strain. You know it makes sense
Bring on Captain Trips!
 
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