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The juxtaposition of the Bojan Bogdanovic approach and the John Collins approach

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This thread is less about the individual players specifically but about the dynamics surrounding the decisions made on each, though there is some specific things about each player relevant.

We moved Bojan last year for what was obviously a lesser total talent. The rationalization was that we were doing this to better balance the roster, that we needed a reliable big, and that Bojan would be occupying too much of the same space as Lauri, so this move solved a few problems to balance things, and that it would make our team better, despite the total talent reduction. This in what was supposed to be a tanking year where winning was irrelevant, if not outright detrimental to long-term goals, thus somewhat odd that we invoke a balanced roster as a necessity as it paid no significant dividends.

Last summer we moved for Collins in somewhat of a clunky fit under the rationalization that we're being opportunistic about acquiring talent and worrying less about fit. We're entering a year where our incentive is to win but we have a completely unbalanced roster, both in the front court and the guard situation and not having a reliable PG. We say that the balance isn't as important as the talent accumulation and opportunity, despite Collins occupying places where Lauri and Kessler are (one argument against Bogdanovic).

We were supposed to lose last year and took back less talent to "be better." We're supposed to "be better" this year and we're trotting out a wonky roster because we're "accumulating talent."

These ideas don't make sense and are backwards. This isn't to isolate one issue against the other, just that any argument to rationalize either approach will be in direct conflict with the rationalization of the other scenario.
 
Bojan is out for four weeks with a calf strain so we won that trade bigly now and Rudy Gay is in oblivion so we won that trade bigly too. My gawd Ainge is such a genius.
 
We don't have an incentive to win this year. Bojan was a money saying move, and you could honestly make the argument that Kelly was a better and younger player with a more team favored contract situation at the time. This idea that it was to balance the roster is total Tony Jones BS speak. No idea how that became a thing, because offensively Bogey is one of the easiest players to fit with in the league.

Collins trade was simply about cashing in on the cap space and being opportunistic. Time will tell if it was a good move, but I don't really see these two moves as a juxtaposition. They are not in conflict with each other.
 
Bojan was an expiring contract that Utah didn't want to extend, so they sent him to Detroit where he got extended. Collins was a long-term contract whose salary could be included to balance a future trade. Plus we got him for free basically, so why not.

If you look at the roster and the moves the front office has made, they do not portray the Jazz as a team that's actually trying to win. Right now, the Jazz have maybe two top-100 players on their roster. They're running a pawn shop with a bunch of players coming and going until they find a few that they really want to build around over the long term. The players the Jazz acquire don't need to make much sense from a rotation/fit perspective.
 
I think it's close, but I'd agree that KO is probably a better player than Bogdanovic. I like Bogey, but I do think he was a little overrated. He shined in areas that were more visible, but KO does a lot more little things that help you win.
 
Detroit would have won that trade had they flipped Bogey for picks last year. But now they are on the losing end cuz they held onto him for too long. But we are making that same exact mistake right now by holding onto Olynyk for too long, especially when it comes at the cost of Kessler's development.
 
We have 4 slasher guards + Keyonte (who hopefully can become something more) crammed into a 10 man rotation none of whom are established great shooters.... and some of you push for Collins bad fit narrative, as well as him being the main source of our fit/spacing issues.

Confirmation bias is a real thing...
 
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