The Climate Change Thread

[Sardines]

I agree with LogGrad98’s take to a degree. Life on Earth would be better off without us. Or at least without civilization. There have been great widespread extinctions in the past, though, and life always finds a way to make a comeback. Still, I feel sorry for the wild critters I love, and those I never met, impacted now, or down the line. And I wonder what human migration will be like as the century advances, and the bound to be political forces respond to migration.

Not all humans are clueless. I was going to post the latest UN climate report, but this is a much more worthy share. I stumbled upon the Kogi years ago, with their first film “From the Heart of the World: The Elder Brothers Warning-Kogi Message to Humanity”. Easy to find on YouTube, highly recommend, and in the context of the title, we humans of the developed world are the Kogi’s “younger brothers”.

This is their second film. It’s relevant to the thread, and a voice folks might not hear otherwise.

Aluna - An Ecological Warning from the Kogi People

Aluna has been watched over 1.8 million times for free on YouTube. We have now made Aluna available in 15 different languages.

www.alunathemovie.com

We are not destroying the world, we are changing it. Yes that will lead to extinctions but long term it will also lead to new species that would have never existed otherwise.

The biggest problem for humans is that so many of us live near coastlines and the people right on the coasts are the wealthiest of us all. Their property is going to be underwater first.

Humans will survive, maybe a little worse for wear (or is it ware?). Things will be different. That's the tragedy, that things will be different.

 

[str8line]

Just realized I misspelled the title of this thread. Anyone notice?

 

[fishonjazz]

Just realized I misspelled the title of this thread. Anyone notice?

I did not. Couldn't see through the smog

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[JazzGal]

Just realized I misspelled the title of this thread. Anyone notice?

Yep. First thing I saw. You are welcome for my not pointing it out.

 

[Miggs]

It's because of humans. Wipe out all humans, save the world. We have zero intrinsic value as a species. Agent Smith was right, we are a virus on the planet. Consuming and destroying everything we touch. If people are truly serious about saving the planet they need to look at reducing the number of humans whose very existence poses an existential threat to every other species on the planet.

Eliminate the humans, save the planet. Simple.

I’m all for implanting a chip in humans upon their birth that prevents them from being able to procreate.

It can only be removed if certain criteria are met. Certain education, employment, and/or judicial requirements.

 

[Red]

We are not destroying the world, we are changing it. Yes that will lead to extinctions but long term it will also lead to new species that would have never existed otherwise.

Yes, that’s why I noted there have been great widespread extinctions in the past, yet life has always found a way.

About 250 million years ago, at the end of the Permian period, something killed some 90 percent of the planet's species. Less than 5 percent of the animal species in the seas survived. On land less than a third of the large animal species made it. Nearly all the trees died. And the Age of Dinosaurs followed, after 90% of life had disappeared. Life always finds a way.

If you have a species that is self conscious, is able to use intelligence to change the world, but does not know enough about how any changes affect that world, that’s a flawed species, in my estimation. Or at least it’s a condition of innate ignorance that can lead to problems. For instance, the car was invented without any understanding of greenhouse gases and their effect on climate. Other animals, on the other hand, don’t seem to initiate things that can throw entire systems out of whack.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Other animals, on the other hand, don’t seem to initiate things that can throw entire systems out of whack.

Yeah, sure except for nearly all of history as far back as we can look and in every direction. Evolution didn't start when humans came on the scene. Evolution is life trying to tilt the system for their advantage and the fossil record is littered with victims. Nothing humans have done in their collective history is even 0.1% as destructive as the Great Oxidation Event foisted on the planet by cyanobacteria.

Great Oxidation Event - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[fishonjazz]

Of that I have no doubt. When dictators speak it is often funny to see who can outdo their compatriots for enthusiastic endorsement.

You successfully signaled to everyone that you are watching and your intrusion is moral because it is in the name of saving the planet. Even those who only wanted a moment of peace to talk to their kids or their lover won’t say a word in protest, not even behind your back. It is too dangerous and they want to keep their jobs. The only act of rebellion they’ll dare to offer up is to vote for the one person who they know makes you angry. They'll punch that button and mutter under their breath "Eff you Fish, this is for taking away conversations with my kids."

Lol. im the boss of zero employees at work. I have no authority. they can still go to their cars. They can still run them the whole time. They can even sit in their cars with them not running!

In fact, our break room is so amazing that phones work in it! You can actually talk on the phone in the break room! and its huge! plenty of space to have privacy. Anything they can do in their car they can do in the break room and then some. other than smoke weed i guess. Maybe thats what they do when they go to their car for break.

 

[Sardines]

Lol. im the boss of zero employees at work. I have no authority. they can still go to their cars. They can still run them the whole time. They can even sit in their cars with them not running!

Sit in a car without the engine running? What is this witchcraft of which you speak?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

im the boss of zero employees at work. I have no authority.

You are the typical cancel culture warrior who uses shame to exert power. I only hope the planet knows how is lucky it is to have you taking it upon yourself to police your coworker’s breaks. It is not as if your compatriots are openly calling for their kids to be dead...

... reducing the number of humans whose very existence poses an existential threat ... Eliminate the humans, save the planet.

I agree with LogGrad98’s take

 

[One Brow]

Other animals, on the other hand, don’t seem to initiate things that can throw entire systems out of whack.

If you bother to check, you will find all sorts of self-habitat destruction by animals.

 

[Red]

Red said:
I agree with LogGrad98’s take

You know, you’re showing your fundamental dishonesty again. This was my full statement: “I agree with LogGrad98’s take to a degree”.

Yeah, you did forget to finish the sentence. Makes a difference.

Also, I was speaking in a general sense, we should now by now that the Earth and most life on Earth would not miss humanity. But that is not the same thing as Red saying: “l want to kill every human being on the face of the Earth”. It’s a philosophical statement on my part, not a desire to wipe us all out literally. No, not quite the same, except in your fundamentally dishonest take.

That is such stupid arse reply on your part. Stretch, stretch, and stretch, you’ve got a point somewhere…..