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Elizah Huge said:
Ok, we will see what happens. In a September podcast Zach Lowe said Milwaukee kicked the tires on a Collins trade before we pulled the trigger. His value might not be as bad as we think. I don’t think his play has done anything to lower his value since we traded for him. If anything his shooting might convince someone to take a chance on him.
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Even if his value has not dropped (it obviously has which is why we're looking to move him in the first place), he was traded for Rudy Gay and a bad second pick. At that "neutral" value these trades are still incredibly Jazz favored. Ain't no way we're trading Rudy Gay and a bad second round pick for any of those players. We only got Collins because ATL wanted to get rid of him, and now we want to get rid of him.
 
I don't think the Jazz are going to trade any Cleveland picks right now. If Mitchell doesn't tell the Cavs he'll extend with them, they'll have to move him. They might be a play-in team even if they don't.
 
KqWIN said:
Even if his value has not dropped (it obviously has which is why we're looking to move him in the first place), he was traded for Rudy Gay and a bad second pick. At that "neutral" value these trades are still incredibly Jazz favored. Ain't no way we're trading Rudy Gay and a bad second round pick for any of those players. We only got Collins because ATL wanted to get rid of him, and now we want to get rid of him.
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Atlanta also got salary relief so if you want to use what he was traded for as his value make sure to add that in. Why would his value have dropped? One less year on his contract and he’s putting up better numbers across the board and especially at 3PT% compared to last year.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I don't think the Jazz are going to trade any Cleveland picks right now. If Mitchell doesn't tell the Cavs he'll extend with them, they'll have to move him. They might be a play-in team even if they don't.
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Could be enticing to Cleveland to get that first back and is a way we could sneak in to get a very nice asset i.e. Quickley.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Atlanta also got salary relief so if you want to use what he was traded for as his value make sure to add that in. Why would his value have dropped? One less year on his contract and he’s putting up better numbers across the board and especially at 3PT% compared to last year.
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That's kind of the point, Collins is a terrible unwanted salary. You get value in getting rid of him, not trading for him. It is obvious why his value has dropped. His numbers are not better across the board. His metrics are awful this year and the worst in his entire career, particularly his defense. In addition to that, he is significantly worse at his worse attribute which is scoring around the basket. His 2FG% has dropped off a cliff which has resulted in his career worst scoring efficiency.

TLDR: His value has dropped because he's is having arguably his worst season of his entire career.
 
IQ available "for the right price" according to Michael Scotto. Jake Fisher says there is no buzz around him at this point, but didnt refute the report.

Not gonna be a buy low thing, but are we really even interested anymore? I mean its good to have multiple baskets for the eggs, but is there any hope that IQ and George become a good pair, or would it just be survivor of the fittest?
 
Elizah Huge said:
I definitely was. My thoughts have changed on the deal though. He doesn’t fit well with Lauri and Kessler. He’s way too expensive to be bringing off the bench. His contract isn’t very good. I’d rather see his playing time go to Hendricks, etc.
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You've seen the light.
 
HermanG said:
IQ available "for the right price" according to Michael Scotto. Jake Fisher says there is no buzz around him at this point, but didnt refute the report.

Not gonna be a buy low thing, but are we really even interested anymore? I mean its good to have multiple baskets for the eggs, but is there any hope that IQ and George become a good pair, or would it just be survivor of the fittest?
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If they can't play together, each has value. I'd make that move in conjunction with giving New York Olynyk to squeeze more value. They could really use him.
 
framer said:
If they can't play together, each has value. I'd make that move in conjunction with giving New York Olynyk to squeeze more value. They could really use him.
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I don’t see George as someone you have to pigeon hole into one guard spot. I also don’t see IQ as just a pg but he’s also a dog on defense so I think it could work well enough. If it’s not an ideal pairing it’s easier to survive and mix and match with guards than it is with bigs.

Depending on price I’m in.
 
Quickley would be fine if they could get him on the cheap but there's no way I would be dealing those Cleveland picks. Cavs could make a bad Don trade or suffer 1-2 injuries and one of those picks could turn into Flagg or Cam Boozer.

Jazz actually would've had enough FA money to maybe offer Quickly a nice contract in FA (restricted) next offseason but that money is currently tied up in John Collins. They will still have FA money but most of that might already be earmarked for Lauri's extension.
 
HeatCheck said:
Quickley would be fine if they could get him on the cheap but there's no way I would be dealing those Cleveland picks. Cavs could make a bad Don trade or suffer 1-2 injuries and one of those picks could turn into Flagg or Cam Boozer.

Jazz actually would've had enough FA money to maybe offer Quickly a nice contract in FA (restricted) next offseason but that money is currently tied up in John Collins. They will still have FA money but most of that might already be earmarked for Lauri's extension.
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This can’t be true cuz John Collins was free.
 
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