Potential Trade Targets

[framer]

Also, if the biggest "problem" that we have is Collins on 25 million a year, things are going pretty damn well.

 

[framer]

We are going to spend assets, and probably sooner than later. We aren't making 3 picks in 2025.

 

[KqWIN]

Sacramento seems like a team that's prone to making a move (mistake!). Not sure they're a match for us, however. Don't think they would have too much interest in Clarkson or Collins.

 

[Agent#00]

I thought they were linked to sexton?

Clarkson was the first one linked to bucks, then last year it was sexton.
We get 2 2nd round picks, Allen and beauchamp.

Milwaukee Bucks: Assessing a Jordan Clarkson trade package

Looking at the potential trade package put forward by Brett Siegel of Fastbreak on FanNation that would send Jordan Clarkson to the Milwaukee Bucks.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

We are going to spend assets, and probably sooner than later. We aren't making 3 picks in 2025.

And people wonder why I make the analogies I do.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also, if the biggest "problem" that we have is Collins on 25 million a year, things are going pretty damn well.

That’s not our biggest problem. Our biggest problem is we need a top 10 nba player.

 

[framer]

That’s not our biggest problem. Our biggest problem is we need a top 10 nba player.

This crap is so overrated. The only way you find out if you have a top 10 or 20 player is to make the playoffs. Do well, and "poof" you are a "top 10 player." The ranking follows success not the other way around. Jazz just need to win, improve, and use their assets well, and the "ranking" will take care of itself.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This crap is so overrated. The only way you find out if you have a top 10 or 20 player is to make the playoffs. Do well, and "poof" you are a "top 10 player." The ranking follows success not the other way around. Jazz just need to win, improve, and use their assets well, and the "ranking" will take care of itself.

It’s not overrated. There is no “only” way to find out but yeah if you are good enough to make the playoffs and then have success there you likely have a top 10 player. You could also be good enough to make the playoffs and not have success and have a top 10 player. There are also guys like SGA that haven’t made the playoffs as a primary dude that are definitely top 10 players.

 

[HermanG]

This crap is so overrated. The only way you find out if you have a top 10 or 20 player is to make the playoffs. Do well, and "poof" you are a "top 10 player." The ranking follows success not the other way around. Jazz just need to win, improve, and use their assets well, and the "ranking" will take care of itself.

I think its not overrated, but you are correct that we just rank guys based on the bulk of games (regular season) and end up missing the point. Who can carry their team in playoffs is why we need the guy. I will give you few examples:

Player 1 career:

	Appearances	PPG	FG%	3P%	APG	RPG
Regular Season	421	27.7	50.3	33.8	3.6	11.2
Playoffs	53	24.0	46.1	28.0	2.8	10.9

Player 2 career:

	Appearances	PPG	FG%	3P%	APG	RPG
Regular Season	434	17.1	44.9	37.5	4.3	3.7
Playoffs	53	25.0	47.3	40.4	6.3	5.0

Players 1 and 2 have pretty similar career game counts on both regular season and postseason. Player 1 CLEARLY outperforms player 2 in the regular season (player 2 has never even managed to score over 21 PPG), but in the playoffs it seems player 2 is better than player 1? At the very least he seems to elevate his play in a big way.

Those two guys are Joel Embiid and Jamal Murray. Former is a lock in every top 5 and I cannot ever remember seeing Murray even in top 10.

Just for comp, here is "playoff Jimmy":

	Appearances	PPG	FG%	3P%	APG	RPG
Regular Season	778	18.2	46.7	32.4	4.2	5.3
Playoffs	119	21.3	46.0	34.7	4.6	6.2

And here is one of Embiid's main MVP rivals Giannis:

	Appearances	PPG	FG%	3P%	APG	RPG
Regular Season	755	23.1	54.1	28.5	4.8	9.7
Playoffs	79	26.6	52.7	26.1	5.2	12.0

So the main point here is, that some players are great in the regular season, but cannot elevate or even hold that level in the playoffs, while others can clearly play better when the chips are down.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

That’s not our biggest problem. Our biggest problem is we need a top 10 nba player.

No existing top 10 player (or top 20 for that matter) is coming to Utah either by the FA route or via a trade, but that's common knowledge.

Waiting for one to arrive via the draft is a horrible strategy as well. Maybe just keep improving the team, keep climbing, keep making more and more noise.

When you get to a certain level, the stroke of luck you need to put you over the hump doesn't need to be gigantic anymore.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

No existing top 10 player (or top 20 for that matter) is coming to Utah either by the FA route or via a trade, but that's common knowledge.

Waiting for one to arrive via the draft is a horrible strategy as well. Maybe just keep improving the team, keep climbing, keep making more and more noise.

When you get to a certain level, the stroke of luck you need to put you over the hump doesn't need to be gigantic anymore.

Jazz can definitely trade for a top-20 guy. Not sure why they wouldn't. I could also make an argument that Lauri is already a borderline top 20 player.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Jazz can definitely trade for a top-20 guy. Not sure why they wouldn't.

They are not available and are mostly in control of their own destiny anyway. Utah is not a preferred long-term destination. Haven't we gone through this a million times?

I could also make an argument that Lauri is already a borderline top 20 player.

Sure, but trading for another top 20 guy would mean giving up Lauri, which kind of defeats the purpose. The top 20 players of the NBA are all veterans with similar timelines as Markkanen.