Potential Trade Targets

[Handlogten's Heros]

Another thing I would absolutely love to do if I am the Jazz... get one of the picks in the 30s (philly and the Bucks both have one) of this draft or even a couple picks in the 40s. On draft night those can easily turn into a pick in the late mid 20s because the trend is to get those picks if you are a tax team instead of the late firsts for cap reasons. So say you flip KO to Houston for 38/40th picks in the 2nd round... you can likely package that and move to 25 with Denver on draft night. Cetltics, Pacers, Nuggs all did variations of those trade backs.

Not something earth shattering but since we have no firsts this year doing a yankee swap into the end of the first round is something I'd be working on.

 

[KqWIN]

I'd be extremely shocked if Clarkson yields Grimes AND a first round pick. I question if he can get either on his own tbh.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Connecting rumors... Bucks would like PJ Tucker... Clips had interest in KO...

Tucker to Milwaukee/Pat Connaughton to Utah/KO to the clips.

The second rounder Milwaukee owns form Porty goes to Utah and Clips send some seconds our way (the ones they have remaining).

There would be some minimums involved as well. I don't love Pat's contract but he's serviceable. I don't love it but its a way to move KO for a great second and a couple other seconds.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd be extremely shocked if Clarkson yields Grimes AND a first round pick. I question if he can get either on his own tbh.

I have no links... just based on pods from Katz/Begley/others. I think we are asking for that package. I think if it was just Grimes and Fournier it gets done. Its weird but I think the sentiment with Thibs is once he's out on you its kind of over and it seems they are out on Grimes.

Also it sounds like NY would love to get Brown or AB... but the AB salary match is tricky and Detroit sounds like they would love to re-sign him... and he might be all for that since its likely his last big payday.

I too am skeptical that a pick would be included but I think the bloom is off with Grimes a bit and we might be surprised at what they trade him for. I think picks in this draft also might be a bit undervalued after everyone has been ******** on the draft for a year or so.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Brooklyn should also be another destination for Dlo.... straight Dlo for Dinwiddie swap would be fair with how crappy Spencer is.

 

[KqWIN]

I have no links... just based on pods from Katz/Begley/others. I think we are asking for that package. I think if it was just Grimes and Fournier it gets done. Its weird but I think the sentiment with Thibs is once he's out on you its kind of over and it seems they are out on Grimes.

Also it sounds like NY would love to get Brown or AB... but the AB salary match is tricky and Detroit sounds like they would love to re-sign him... and he might be all for that since its likely his last big payday.

I too am skeptical that a pick would be included but I think the bloom is off with Grimes a bit and we might be surprised at what they trade him for. I think picks in this draft also might be a bit undervalued after everyone has been ******** on the draft for a year or so.

We might be asking for that. But like I said, I would be completely shocked if he actually got both.

I know time has passed and things have changed, but it was like a year and a half ago they wouldn’t include this guy for Mitchell so I would also be surprised if Clarkson got us Grimes alone. I haven’t thrown myself into the rumors as much as you….but it just seems like too far of a fall in too short of a time in terms of how NYK values him.

 

[Elizah Huge]

We might be asking for that. But like I said, I would be completely shocked if he actually got both.

I know time has passed and things have changed, but it was like a year and a half ago they wouldn’t include this guy for Mitchell so I would also be surprised if Clarkson got us Grimes alone. I haven’t thrown myself into the rumors as much as you….but it just seems like too far of a fall in too short of a time in terms of how NYK values him.

Clarkson’s contract is a steal starting next year though. That has a lot of value in itself.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We might be asking for that. But like I said, I would be completely shocked if he actually got both.

I know time has passed and things have changed, but it was like a year and a half ago they wouldn’t include this guy for Mitchell so I would also be surprised if Clarkson got us Grimes alone. I haven’t thrown myself into the rumors as much as you….but it just seems like too far of a fall in too short of a time in terms of how NYK values him.

I mean 1.5 years is an eternity in the NBA. Less than a year ago the Lakers wanted Dlo over Conley. Anchoring yourself to something that happened a year and a half ago isn't wise. The sample size of his play has more than doubled since then.

 

[KqWIN]

I mean 1.5 years is an eternity in the NBA. Less than a year ago the Lakers wanted Dlo over Conley. Anchoring yourself to something that happened a year and a half ago isn't wise. The sample size of his play has more than doubled since then.

Yeah, I know it's not the best way to think about things....and to be fair his play has dropped of a cliff and is approaching Ochai levels. It's still one of those situations where I'll believe it when I see it. I've never been a Grimes guy and have mostly **** on him, still think he's probably worth more than Clarkson in a vacuum. I could be wrong on that, but Clarkson+first seems like an a huge stretch to me. Let's not forget that Clarkson has had a bad year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, I know it's not the best way to think about things....and to be fair his play has dropped of a cliff and is approaching Ochai levels. It's still one of those situations where I'll believe it when I see it. I've never been a Grimes guy and have mostly **** on him, still think he's probably worth more than Clarkson in a vacuum. I could be wrong on that, but Clarkson+first seems like an a huge stretch to me. Let's not forget that Clarkson has had a bad year.

The reason his value was high back then was because of a mix of potential and production. Potential based stock drops real fast if there is not progress. If he is worth more than JC its not by much and certainly in a value window where the trade straight across makes sense. Adding a first has always been a stretch but it could also be the worst of the two firsts they own this year... in a draft that is viewed pretty poorly. IF a deal happens I bet it includes no firsts.

JC had a bad stretch to start the year. Since moving to the bench he is 20/5/4 on 57% TS. Legitimate 6th man of the year stuff. There's a history of play there that anchors his value that is more established than Grimes. Any acquirer would be using him off the bench and his contract is very easy to digest. I think he's worth a late first in this draft... which is where I'd probably put Grimes value too.

 

[KqWIN]

The reason his value was high back then was because of a mix of potential and production. Potential based stock drops real fast if there is not progress. If he is worth more than JC its not by much and certainly in a value window where the trade straight across makes sense. Adding a first has always been a stretch but it could also be the worst of the two firsts they own this year... in a draft that is viewed pretty poorly. IF a deal happens I bet it includes no firsts.

JC had a bad stretch to start the year. Since moving to the bench he is 20/5/4 on 57% TS. Legitimate 6th man of the year stuff. There's a history of play there that anchors his value that is more established than Grimes. Any acquirer would be using him off the bench and his contract is very easy to digest. I think he's worth a late first in this draft... which is where I'd probably put Grimes value too.

I don’t necessarily disagree with the last statement. But doubling that value and saying both….its a stretch to me.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don’t necessarily disagree with the last statement. But doubling that value and saying both….its a stretch to me.

Something I never disputed.