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Jackpotting Around Podcast: Episode 8 - To Convey Or Not To Convey and Let’s Start A Discussion About Collin Sexton

And if the preference is more an apathetic thing then I'm okay with that. Its the weird narrative on twitter of "we must force the pick to convey or we have to tank or trade Lauri or we will miss out on Cooper Flagg" that I have an issue with. Like what?

And yes... I was seeing a lot of it from some people with decent followings.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't think you need a champion for the other side....just need to show that you've actually given the other side fair consideration. I feel like the reason why Zach Lowe became so adored is that he often spent more time writing/talking about why he might be wrong than why he's right. It's why his content is more compelling than your standard internet argument. I don't actually think your opinions are shallow, but it comes off that way when there is zero pushback.

Having said that....Jazz twitter is full of animals. So there's no time for nuance with that lol.
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And that is part of the reason I was looking for a champion is because I am not good at that yet... or with things I feel strongly about.

Wait until I have to fight @Elizah Huge and @Saint Cy of JFC on Flip. It will be all the confrontation you need.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't think you need a champion for the other side....just need to show that you've actually given the other side fair consideration. I feel like the reason why Zach Lowe became so adored is that he often spent more time writing/talking about why he might be wrong than why he's right. It's why his content is more compelling than your standard internet argument. I don't actually think your opinions are shallow, but it comes off that way when there is zero pushback.

Having said that....Jazz twitter is full of animals. So there's no time for nuance with that lol.
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It is a valid criticism for sure though. Definitely didn't want to dismiss it if that's how it came off.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't think you need a champion for the other side....just need to show that you've actually given the other side fair consideration. I feel like the reason why Zach Lowe became so adored is that he often spent more time writing/talking about why he might be wrong than why he's right. It's why his content is more compelling than your standard internet argument. I don't actually think your opinions are shallow, but it comes off that way when there is zero pushback.

Having said that....Jazz twitter is full of animals. So there's no time for nuance with that lol.
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I personally need to work on getting in that mindset of the opposite side of the argument. It’s not easy to do right away and I do understand the criticisms of us agreeing on everything and think they are valid. I will work on it.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The draft conversation (regarding strength) was so reductive and bad imo.
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There are people saying they’d rather have pick 15 in 2025 over pick 9 in 2024 so I think we wanted to kind of say that has never been true ever in the history of the league.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And that is part of the reason I was looking for a champion is because I am not good at that yet... or with things I feel strongly about.

Wait until I have to fight @Elizah Huge and @Saint Cy of JFC on Flip. It will be all the confrontation you need.
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To give you guys credit, I am off of Jazz twitter completely so it was interesting to hear what kinds of thoughts other people have. You didn't totally leave out the opposing view. Tbh, I didn't even know this was such a big thing.

I think all the points made about Sexton were fine, but just a little bit of devil's advocacy would have gone a long way. I don't know much about this team convey stuff....but I know for sure there are some opposing points about Sexton that would have made that a better discussion. The absence of any pushback made it feel like a homer love fest. It's counterintuitive, but articulating the opposing view will enhance your credibility and demonstrate a stronger understanding. But I get it....I throw all that out the window when it comes to basketball debates lol. Not an easy thing to do.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It’s probably hard for you to hear… but you probably need to hear it.
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No talk about his next contract. No talk about how he fits long term next to Keyonte. For how much y'all (rightfully) raved about his play this year, there was no talk about if he should be prioritized as PG over Keyonte. Or maybe finding a PG that is bigger to better fit next to Sexton. No talk about trade value.

Why aren't people excited about Sexton while he is having a truly incredible offensive season? Because the FO/Hardy have clearly signaled Keyonte is the PGOTF and it's just tough to have Sexton as a starting 2 guard. He's also far too good to sign a contract to be a 6th man.

The "definitive" Sexton talk was just y'all reacting to advanced stats you don't have access to that you saw in Twitter...
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No talk about his next contract. No talk about how he fits long term next to Keyonte. For how much y'all (rightfully) raved about his play this year, there was no talk about if he should be prioritized as PG over Keyonte. Or maybe finding a PG that is bigger to better fit next to Sexton. No talk about trade value.

Why aren't people excited about Sexton while he is having a truly incredible offensive season? Because the FO/Hardy have clearly signaled Keyonte is the PGOTF and it's just tough to have Sexton as a starting 2 guard. He's also far too good to sign a contract to be a 6th man.

The "definitive" Sexton talk was just y'all reacting to advanced stats you don't have access to that you saw in Twitter...
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Eh.. I pulled half my stuff from Basketball ref and nba.com. We are making the case that they guy should not be slept on and is giving us every reason to believe in him and yet... still considered a 6th man or not a future building block when he should be at this point. Not gonna get into contract talk as what are we trading him for right now? More picks? We need more good players and we don't think people truly understand how great he has been.

Not gonna worry about his contract until its time to do so... not gonna worry about if he is a starter on a championship team until we are several steps further in the process. We are simply making the case that he is way better (or has played way better) than he has been sold and we should lean away from pigeon holing him as a 6th man etc.
 
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