Should Hayward be benched?

[LogGrad98]

Stop confusing franklin with facts and logic. He was on a role.

 

[Beantown]

After being traded Baron Davis style? What a disappointing player he has been. What does he do well besides release early while the other 4 are securing rebounds?

Package him with AJ for Rashard Lewis and Nick Young.

Haha and you make fun of my threads?

 

[NAOS]

Haha and you make fun of my threads?

 

[franklin]

82games.com is not great at updating their data. They have him having played 8 games. has him listed as playing some power forward.https://www.82games.com/1112/11UTA8.HTM

Uhh huh. You're skewing things just a little bit. The top 13 teams on that link all have two of either AJ, MIllsap, and/or Favors in with him. What do they show? A full two minutes at power forward?

According to NBA.com, 4 of the top 5 5 man lineups feature Hayward. https://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=5&season=22011&split=9&team=Jazz

For a total of 33 minutes. That number is so low it's practically meaningless. The team tied for 2nd has Alec Burks and Chucker Jr, so... Like I said, stats are convenient.

He's not as bad as you think did he is.
He has slot of oom to improve, and has the time and situation to do so.

Exactly how bad do I think he is? I never said he sucks. I said I've had enough watching him run the offense in siezure mode. The Jazz cannot defend when he does his stupid drive and dish. The first thing he does is screw up the position the bigs have established or they're going to be called for 3 second violations. He passes out to covered wings behind the arc and they have to either throw up a rushed shot or completely reset the offense. Either option has been disasterous and it's all on Gordon Hayward.

Drive and throw to whoever happens to get open after you've left your feet is not a designed NBA play. Why does he keep doing it?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Exactly how bad do I think he is? I never said he sucks. I said I've had enough watching him run the offense in siezure mode. The Jazz cannot defend when he does his stupid drive and dish. The first thing he does is screw up the position the bigs have established or they're going to be called for 3 second violations. He passes out to covered wings behind the arc and they have to either throw up a rushed shot or completely reset the offense. Either option has been disasterous and it's all on Gordon Hayward.

Drive and throw to whoever happens to get open after you've left your feet is not a designed NBA play. Why does he keep doing it?

FWIW, I agree that he needs to stop that drive and jump move he has done.
He needs to do a Nash, and keep his dribble.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Uhh huh. You're skewing things just a little bit. The top 13 teams on that link all have two of either AJ, MIllsap, and/or Favors in with him. What do they show? A full two minutes at power forward?




For a total of 33 minutes. That number is so low it's practically meaningless. The team tied for 2nd has Alec Burks and Chucker Jr, so... Like I said, stats are convenient.





Exactly how bad do I think he is? I never said he sucks. I said I've had enough watching him run the offense in siezure mode. The Jazz cannot defend when he does his stupid drive and dish. The first thing he does is screw up the position the bigs have established or they're going to be called for 3 second violations. He passes out to covered wings behind the arc and they have to either throw up a rushed shot or completely reset the offense. Either option has been disasterous and it's all on Gordon Hayward.

Drive and throw to whoever happens to get open after you've left your feet is not a designed NBA play. Why does he keep doing it?

He averages 1.5 turnovers per game, and has a very respectable 2.4 A/T ratio. Whatever damage you think he is doing on his drives is just another Franklin fantasy. We would rather not hear about the other ones.

 

[jope]

Uhh huh. You're skewing things just a little bit. The top 13 teams on that link all have two of either AJ, MIllsap, and/or Favors in with him. What do they show? A full two minutes at power forward?






For a total of 33 minutes. That number is so low it's practically meaningless. The team tied for 2nd has Alec Burks and Chucker Jr, so... Like I said, stats are convenient.





Exactly how bad do I think he is? I never said he sucks. I said I've had enough watching him run the offense in siezure mode. The Jazz cannot defend when he does his stupid drive and dish. The first thing he does is screw up the position the bigs have established or they're going to be called for 3 second violations. He passes out to covered wings behind the arc and they have to either throw up a rushed shot or completely reset the offense. Either option has been disasterous and it's all on Gordon Hayward.

Drive and throw to whoever happens to get open after you've left your feet is not a designed NBA play. Why does he keep doing it?

I'm just answering what you claimed. And those are the top five lineups, regardless of minutes. If you want to subject them to minutes played, you should state that before referencing the top 5 lineups listed on NBA.com. What the low minutes could show is that those lineups could benefit the team by playing more, or they could be inflated by limited data and they would suck hard if played more. I don't know.

I do know that Gordon has had a positive effect on this team. He has a good attitude, and is a willing contributor to the team effort. His intention is to make his team play better, not looking to bolster his personal stats. And I agree that he is a bit spastic on his drives, but without him trying to be willing to involve his teammates, he might have never broke the starting lineup. We have plenty of chuckers on this team. Being A willing contributor is what is keeping him in the starting lineup.

And we seem to be winning with him in the starting lineup just fine (7 of last 8). So I guess I'm just not seeing the big issue with him.

 

[freakazoid]

Gordo was the only Jazz player tonight who didn't put up a +.

0-4 with 0 assists and 1 TO. He did have 3 rebs though, so Cyrone can breath easy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hayward got 4 FT's in the first quarter so I assumed he was actually going to play good. Nope.

Still laughing at the crowd sighing "THREEEEEahhhhhh" when Gordon passed up an open 3, only to have Gordon get the ball back and jack up a three due to crowd pressure.

 

[LogGrad98]

Hayward got 4 FT's in the first quarter so I assumed he was actually going to play good. Nope.

Still laughing at the crowd sighing "THREEEEEahhhhhh" when Gordon passed up an open 3, only to have Gordon get the ball back and jack up a three due to crowd pressure.

Yeah his total lack of aggression is getting more than old. He needs to step it up or be benched. Pretty ****ty when you get outplayed by CJ.

 

[franklin]

I do know that Gordon has had a positive effect on this team. He has a good attitude, and is a willing contributor to the team effort. His intention is to make his team play better, not looking to bolster his personal stats. And I agree that he is a bit spastic on his drives, but without him trying to be willing to involve his teammates, he might have never broke the starting lineup. We have plenty of chuckers on this team. Being A willing contributor is what is keeping him in the starting lineup.

And we seem to be winning with him in the starting lineup just fine (7 of last 8). So I guess I'm just not seeing the big issue with him.

FWIW, thanks for making a solid argument in his defense.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Why should the guy be benched?
Hell, he brings the same intangibles to the game that Kirilenko brought at this point.
I think he'll be better than AK offensively, and he might even match AK's (in his prime of course) defensive prowess.