Should we go full rebuild?

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So teams should just put every other aspect on hold until they get a guy they think can develop into a MVP?

Did I say that? You still build your team with players that will be valuable when you are ready to contend. You still need to make the right decisions in the meantime. Drafting a generational player does not absolve you from the responsibility of taking all other roster-building steps. Otherwise you end up like the Cavs did with LeBron leaving for Miami without winning anything. BUT... lets be clear here. The NBA is incredibly top-heavy league. Meaning the best of the best players drive winning like in no other league. So one of your biggest priorities, if you want to contend for titles(rather than just being a good playoff team), still needs to be finding THE GUY... or even couple of guys that are among the top of the league.

 

[KqWIN]

You forgot Ochai is a starter next year lol. They have had some odd messaging but I am not sure what to make of all that.

I think the best way to give yourself a chance at a title is to set yourself up with a portfolio of picks and to tank for a few years. Even then if the picks don't jump into the top 4 in the right year or you get "the guy" and then he forgets how to shoot or can't stay healthy and you are in trouble. I do feel in that situation you likely would have a hard time not building a decent playoff team if you are competent as an org, but enduring the tank years is likely not worth building a solid playoff team. In the next 9 months I'd say we should get more targeted, but I will leave it up to them to decide what they want to target.

I don't think it necessarily has to be a portfolio of picks. I think having Lauri is better than having whatever picks he's worth, for example.

 

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I don't think it necessarily has to be a portfolio of picks. I think having Lauri is better than having whatever picks he's worth, for example.

Lauri or top 3 pick in 2025?(if we somehow could guarantee it)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think it necessarily has to be a portfolio of picks. I think having Lauri is better than having whatever picks he's worth, for example.

It doesn't... it could be Lauri/SGA and a portfolio of picks or other flexible assets... but you need to be able to still have a good chance at a top4 pick imo. OKC threaded the needle for a couple years and paid it off when they got Chet. I think we could very well be in the bottom 5-6 teams next year without moving Lauri. If you moved Sexton and really leaned into Lisan al Gaib I think the losses would pile up. I think it might piss off Lauri to have another garbage year and its a shame these great years are pretty much wasted for him.

 

[Park Bites]

There is still a chance to turn this ship around. There could be some serious movement this year. I am still sitting on the fence.

That is the problem we either need to get better or slow it up this half assing it just doesn't work. I think all 3 of the rookie have potential. There is potential of adding more more young talent with this draft.

Looking at teams around the league and some of the players that "could" beco.e available it is interesting. Picking up 1 or 2 good vets or a superstar player and this changes.

 

[KqWIN]

It doesn't... it could be Lauri/SGA and a portfolio of picks or other flexible assets... but you need to be able to still have a good chance at a top4 pick imo. OKC threaded the needle for a couple years and paid it off when they got Chet. I think we could very well be in the bottom 5-6 teams next year without moving Lauri. If you moved Sexton and really leaned into Lisan al Gaib I think the losses would pile up. I think it might piss off Lauri to have another garbage year and its a shame these great years are pretty much wasted for him.

I don't know about "need"....but it's better to have a top 4 pick than it is to have the 8/9 pick and half a season where you were chasing a play in.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't know about "need"....but it's better to have a top 4 pick than it is to have the 8/9 pick and half a season where you were chasing a play in.

I think you need it for that approach to maximize your luck. I think I'm just going to call the preferred model the "Luck and Competency" model. The less lucky you are the more competent you need to be and vice versa. Our model is to get lucky and make good decisions... we will see where that takes us.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

If I say I understand the logic of the argument you are making. Will you admit that the next team that wins a title after going all out to suck and then rebuild around top draft picks, will be the first?

No

 

[Bawse Dawg]

No

Is it untrue?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Your problem is you are trying to define who is a fan based on which strategy people support. No one here says they dont want to see the team contend or win a championship. Some people just see various different paths that could lead to that goal.

Its not their fault that you only see one path.

The only real way to do it is get lucky two years in a row in the draft drafting where ever. Problem is it doesn’t ever happen. It’s like dropping a needle into a thimble from off the Empire State Building. Sadly the jazz are a small market team and no one wants to go to Utah. So the only way to do it for the jazz is to suck hard have assets and build a talented team through the draft and trade

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

It does not necessarily make it harder, building a team is not an exact science. Building a contender is fine, but life is short and sports is all about having fun. Tanking and semi-tanking seasons are very ****ing far from fun. Obviously I don't want to sign a bunch of mediocre veterans with a long-term plan of puttering along making the playoffs or playins most years, I want to see a plan, but I want to execute that plan while being relatively competitive and hoping for wins.

The Jazz are in a pretty good spot now with lots of assets, and the draft has no guarantees, ever. Wemby looks great, but he still needs to stay healthy, and he's the only "can't miss" rookie in, what, since Lebron?

Also you have zero clue what being "a fan" means. The word might come from "fanatic" (I'm not really sure, to be honest, but you're probably right), but that's _not_ what it means. Check any dictionary.

I am right.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Sadly the jazz are a small market team and no one wants to go to Utah. So the only way to do it for the jazz is to suck hard have assets and build a talented team through the draft and trade

Surely if it’s the only way to do it you’d have a single example of it working out that way?