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The Non-Jazz NBA Thread in the Jazz Section

People not giving OKC much of a chance. I don't think they should be favorites, but I could easily see them win it all.

I kind of hope not though.
I could see it but youth tends to show at some point. Usually you need to collect some playoff scars before getting to or winning the finals.
 
I'm probably slighting OKC too much, they are really good and I think they will also beat whoever wins out of DAL/LAC. I just think they're a little young, and for as much as I love Chet, I think both Jokic and Gobert will prove to be too big for OKC. It's have a similar thought about Gobert vs Porzingis...the playoffs are different of course, but the easiest matchup for Gobert has been the tall skinny guys imo.
 
I wonder if Hayward retires after this season.
Feels like he hangs around a super team for a year or two first. Even if on a minimum its still like $3M+ for him. Remember this is the dude that banked the per diem as a rookie to eat at Subway and drove a Honda.

Feels like an LA team... maybe Phoenix. Unless Robin gives him unlimited WoW time I am not sure he is ready to quit basketball.
 
Feels like he hangs around a super team for a year or two first. Even if on a minimum its still like $3M+ for him. Remember this is the dude that banked the per diem as a rookie to eat at Subway and drove a Honda.

Feels like an LA team... maybe Phoenix. Unless Robin gives him unlimited WoW time I am not sure he is ready to quit basketball.
I was trying to interpret this, assuming it to be some kind of innuendo, before I realized it was World of Warcraft.
 
Its interesting that Minnesota and Cleveland tried to do the same kinda thing. Minny had a budding star and an all-star with some other stuff and supplemented it with an all-star. Then Ant when up a level or two. Cleveland thought Mobley was a star... and he just isn't in Ant's tier... so it may not work as well. There are other parts of the equation obviously but just shows the flaw with following "models". They all fail a lot. So you just have to follow the best route for your situation and find as many wins in the transaction/drafting game as possible.
 
Its interesting that Minnesota and Cleveland tried to do the same kinda thing. Minny had a budding star and an all-star with some other stuff and supplemented it with an all-star. Then Ant when up a level or two. Cleveland thought Mobley was a star... and he just isn't in Ant's tier... so it may not work as well. There are other parts of the equation obviously but just shows the flaw with following "models". They all fail a lot. So you just have to follow the best route for your situation and find as many wins in the transaction/drafting game as possible.
I would say Minnesota is a degree or two more versatile and that's the main difference between the two. That's because of size and the fact they don't have much overlap in terms of skill sets.
 
I would say Minnesota is a degree or two more versatile and that's the main difference between the two. That's because of size and the fact they don't have much overlap in terms of skill sets.
Yeah I think that's probably true too. Minny nailed the follow up moves too. But I think the biggest difference is Mobley development has been steady and normal where Ant is taking leaps (he also likely had a better starting point).
 
Yeah I think that's probably true too. Minny nailed the follow up moves too. But I think the biggest difference is Mobley development has been steady and normal where Ant is taking leaps (he also likely had a better starting point).
Donovan is the Ant on the team though, so I don't really get comparing Mobley and Ant. Mobley is the KAT of the team. Issue is he doesn't have the versatility that KAT does to fit around Gobert. They also don't have the 3rd big that fits seamlessly around both starting bigs.
 
Donovan is the Ant on the team though, so I don't really get comparing Mobley and Ant. Mobley is the KAT of the team. Issue is he doesn't have the versatility that KAT does to fit around Gobert. They also don't have the 3rd big that fits seamlessly around both starting bigs.
I think the bigger issue is that Mitchell is currently a shell of the player he was pre injury this year. Right now he is not even close to his healthy self.
 
I think the bigger issue is that Mitchell is currently a shell of the player he was pre injury this year. Right now he is not even close to his healthy self.
He just isnt a top 10 player. He's probably already peaked as a player unless he can land himself on a roster that is perfectly built around him. It's as much about his health as it is the refs stopped giving guards some of those BS calls where they just run into the side of the defender. He's a professional front runner. When things get tough he crumbles. It's crazy how much of his playoff stats are carried by his 4 good series: the first OKC matchup and the 3 series in a row that started with the bubble. Outside of that he's been really mediocre as a playoff player.
 
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