Jazz select Isaiah Collier at pick 29

[seattlejazzfan]

Makes sense why he fell if he was killing workouts and proved he can shoot.

*Sarcasm*

He slipped because the turnovers scared people, the way he shot during the season, and his underwhelming measurements

 

[KqWIN]

If Collier shot 80% from the line and attempted 8+ 3P per40 like Mitchell, he'd have been a top 8 pick easily. Maybe top 1 pick. He's where he's at because he did not have those marks and he obviously did not impress in the workouts.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

If Collier shot 80% from the line and attempted 8+ 3P per40 like Mitchell, he'd have been a top 8 pick easily. Maybe top 1 pick. He's where he's at because he did not have those marks and he obviously did not impress in the workouts.

You need to look at Mitchell’s freshman year not his sophomore year. Surely Collier would’ve improved in all those you mentioned. Collier was a much better 3pt shooter his freshman year 33.8% on 4 attempts Mitchell was 25% on 4.9 attempts. Though Mitchell shot better from the line. However Collier was way more efficient than Mitchell and better at finishing at the rim.

Looking at Mitchell’s sophomore year compared to Collier’s freshman year makes no sense.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

If Collier shot 80% from the line and attempted 8+ 3P per40 like Mitchell, he'd have been a top 8 pick easily. Maybe top 1 pick. He's where he's at because he did not have those marks.

Yup. It’s not rocket science why he fell. Fortunately his frosh season is not the end for him and it’s time to dominate

 

[KqWIN]

You need to look at Mitchell’s freshman year not his sophomore year. Surely Collier would’ve improved in all those you mentioned. Collier was a much better 3pt shooter his freshman year 33.8% on 4 attempts Mitchell was 25% on 4.9 attempts. Though Mitchell shot better from the line. However Collier was way more efficient than Mitchell and better at finishing at the rim.

Looking at Mitchell’s sophomore year compared to Collier’s freshman year makes no sense.

Mitchell went through an incredible, outlier shooting improvement. A lot of guys would look great with an incredible, outlier shooting improvement. Either way, Mitchell's greater volume and FT% (which have been shown to be better indicators than 3FG% itself) were still higher freshman-freshman.

Mitchell had already proven himself to make that jump, and we were talking about Mitchell coming into the draft. Nobody says it's impossible for players to make that jump, but the point is it's unlikely and that's a big reason why Collier fell from #1 to #29.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Mitchell went through an incredible, outlier shooting improvement. A lot of guys would look great with an incredible, outlier shooting improvement. Either way, Mitchell's greater volume and FT% (which have been shown to be better indicators than 3FG% itself) were still higher freshman-freshman.

Mitchell had already proven himself to make that jump, and we were talking about Mitchell coming into the draft. Nobody says it's impossible for players to make that jump, but the point is it's unlikely and that's a big reason why Collier fell from #1 to #29.

Either way it’s laughable to compare someone’s freshman season against someone’s sophomore season completely laughable. Also Mitchell was a gunner Collier a point guard.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

I still remember all the scouting reports coming out saying Mitchell was inconsistent with his shot and he came out hitting shots at a great rate as if he had always been a knock down shooter. Maybe Collier will do something similar.

mitchell did not come out of the gates as anywhere close to an efficient scorer.

 

[KqWIN]

Either way it’s laughable to compare someone’s freshman season against someone’s sophomore season completely laughable. Also Mitchell was a gunner Collier a point guard.

For players who are not freshman, how many times are we looking at their previous years? 95% when we look at prospects we are evaluating prospects and looking at them as they came into the league. I would say that's a better process than picking out a player right before he made an outlier development. Again, if you project an outlier development onto everyone, everyone looks good.

I saw people comparing Bronny's freshman year to Jimmy Butler's freshman year. IMO, that does not make much sense. I prefer to use the most relevant info to compare players, the most relevant info is the player they are coming into the league.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

mitchell did not come out of the gates as anywhere close to an efficient scorer.
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Talking about his rookie year as a whole. Obviously he was slow out the gate. He began the year on the bench and worked his way up. Even in that graphic those aren’t the stats of an iffy shooter. Also didn’t he break the rookie record for made threes beating out Lillard a known elite shooter. He came out the gate as at least a really good shooter

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

For players who are not freshman, how many times are we looking at their previous years? 95% when we look at prospects we are evaluating prospects and looking at them as they came into the league. I would say that's a better process than picking out a player right before he made an outlier development. Again, if you project an outlier development onto everyone, everyone looks good.

I saw people comparing Bronny's freshman year to Jimmy Butler's freshman year. IMO, that does not make much sense. I prefer to use the most relevant info to compare players, the most relevant info is the player they are coming into the league.

Lmao doesn’t matter.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

Talking about his rookie year as a whole. Obviously he was slow out the gate. He began the year on the bench and worked his way up. Even in that graphic those aren’t the stats of an iffy shooter. Also didn’t he break the rookie record for made threes beating out Lillard a known elite shooter. He came out the gate as at least a really good shooter

I'm happy to fact check you.
Bottom line: you're wrong.

The jazz needed a guy who could generate offense and take tough shots. Mitchell was up for it, and did a great job, considering the circumstances. The team won, though, because of Rudy.




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[NAOS_pt2]

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