What next moves do you WANT to see?
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Bawse Dawg
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I really have no idea, why I included the entire top three when I posted this earlier, so weird.I would love to see this
Hedda Gambler
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Ideally I`d like to see two out of three of our vets moved for an injured or totally washed player. If Lavine needs to sit out most or all of the year, I`d consider him if they are willing to give up picks even though he has 3 years left. MIddleton would be an option of he gets injured, as would Nurkic, Ingram and Huerter.
I am not wishing an injury upon anyone, but in this league, players suffer injuries. When that happens, I want the Utah Jazz to be in a position where they can help out good teams by trading them helpful players and help ourselves play the young guys more.
Barring an injury, I would look at something like moving Kessler for PJ Tucker + 2030 and/2031 first round draft pick(s). We could also do Kessler for Nurkic + their first round pick in 2031.
Expanding on the above ideas, if a player like Jarrett Allen goes down during the season, I would propose a Kessler for Allen trade. If Allen is done for the season or would be limited in playing time, having him signed up for four more years on a controlled salary would be excellent for us. I could also se us doing a trade like this next off season.
I am not wishing an injury upon anyone, but in this league, players suffer injuries. When that happens, I want the Utah Jazz to be in a position where they can help out good teams by trading them helpful players and help ourselves play the young guys more.
Barring an injury, I would look at something like moving Kessler for PJ Tucker + 2030 and/2031 first round draft pick(s). We could also do Kessler for Nurkic + their first round pick in 2031.
Expanding on the above ideas, if a player like Jarrett Allen goes down during the season, I would propose a Kessler for Allen trade. If Allen is done for the season or would be limited in playing time, having him signed up for four more years on a controlled salary would be excellent for us. I could also se us doing a trade like this next off season.
Well if you go down that road then why not Lonzo Ball?
I wouldnt touch Lavine. Having him and Lauri on 90M+ per year for 3 years hurts our flexibility too much just for the sake of making this year's record worse. The problem is that we either make Lavine look good and rehab his value by screwing the tank, or then we make him look even worse in which case we are absolutely hooked to his contract.
Park Bites
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Interesting ideas. I have flip flopped with the Ingram idea. If both JCs are used in the trade included with a couple on the Minny picks (should be mid 20s picks the next few years) I can live with that.
Next year make an offer to BI that is NOT a max but is still good offer. I don't think any team is going to offer him a max or even that great of an offer.
On the other hand I really want to see the young guys play. Ingram plays the same position as Williams. With some added strength he could be our future SF. Hendricks can also play the 3.
I really liked the idea of trade Collins for Huerter also. I think that is a good trade for both teams.
Clarkson is the player I want to see gone the most.
Next year make an offer to BI that is NOT a max but is still good offer. I don't think any team is going to offer him a max or even that great of an offer.
On the other hand I really want to see the young guys play. Ingram plays the same position as Williams. With some added strength he could be our future SF. Hendricks can also play the 3.
I really liked the idea of trade Collins for Huerter also. I think that is a good trade for both teams.
Clarkson is the player I want to see gone the most.
Hedda Gambler
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I am not sure Lavine would be too much of a negative salary wise for our team. If we keep and extend Walker Kessler, he will be on a new deal after two seasons. The same applies for Collin Sexton. The rest of our guys - and i exclude Collins and our new veteran center here - are all on their first or second years of their rookie deals. By the time they are on new deals, Lavine`s deal will have expired.
The only thing trading for an injured Lavine would deny us, is cap space. I can`t see any game changer going to free agency with how the NBA is now and I actually think having a Lavine-like salary at the 2026 trade deadline would be much better for us that cap space next or that summer.
The 2026 offseason is where I see that argument fail. We are almost for sure in build up mode at that point, and Kessler and Sexton extensions would kick in with Lauri and Lavine on the roster. That already puts us so close to the cap that we would almost certainly be a negative cap space team.
2025 summer cap is not really something I would worry about that much, since we got 3 more first round picks coming up and we will be in more of a roster crunch than cap crunch. But if we did land, say Flagg, then I would probably be inclined to start the build up a year earlier and move some of the young guys in the process. At that point I'd rather have JCx2 salaries than Lavine salary on the books.
I've seen we have $8MM, $11MM, and $13MM in capspace now. Does anybody know the real number? Do we think we can get a first for a salary dump at whatever number we have? Probably just seconds, but there is a scarcity of options for anyone looking to get that done.
I believe it's 10ish million of cap-space with additional access to 8 million for a MLE signing.
I would be shocked if we got a first with how valuable first are.
It’s closer to the $13M for right now, but once we make the Eubanks and Juzang signings it will go down to about $6M. The reason why the cap space is temporary is because in theory, the Jazz could use all their cap space up and then sign Eubanks and Juzang with the room exception. But if they don’t find a use for the cap space, it just goes away once those two are signed.
Well yeah, I'm sorry not all aspects of basketball can be broken down into stats and tracking data. Sometimes you just have to trust people who are smarter than you.
I did a quick surface level search for an article about it, because I do remember beat writers discussing it, and this was what came out first as a hit
Maybe @Tony Jones can chime in. Do you remember the Jazz putting an emphasis on Lauri creating offense off ISOs and such from the 3pt line in the 2nd season in a way they didnt emphasize in his first season in Utah?
IIRC a lot of this had to do with the addition of Collins. Utah was playing with 3 bigs so they wanted to see if Lauri could be more SF type things with the ball in his hand from the 3pt line. It didnt really work out well and they ended up going back to what worked for Lauri and the team.
The amount of times you iso can be done with tracking data as well as a multitude of other numbers that are related. I legitimately don’t give a **** if you choose to remember differently and ignore the numbers. It doesn’t matter.
What you’re citing is an article before the season happened lmao. It’s basically saying what I said, if there’s growth for Lauri….it would be in the self creation category. Did that actually happen? Again, I don’t really care if you refuse to believe facts….I am saying the same thing as Tony. The Jazz should let Lauri expand his game. If they decide to restrict his game as you’re suggesting, it is completely stupid.
I am asking the same questions as Tony did before last season. We didn’t get an answer on things because he didn’t do those things.
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