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Who decides what is misinformation and what isn't? Who decides what content is dangerous to mental health and what isn't?

Ponder that for a second, and hopefully you see how terrifying that can quickly become. The first amendment is a Godsend, and yes you can point at issues created by freedom of speech, but the alternative is far worse, and history is littered with examples of why.
We already regulate free speech.
  • Can you yell "fire" in a theater?
  • Have you ever tried hosting a concert in your neighborhood at 3:00 am?
  • We have laws against revenge porn.
  • Do you find restrictions against child porn to infringe on your free speech?
There's a lot of space in between Totalitarian North Korea and this libertarian "do nothing" that many "free speech" advocates seem to promote. We regulate free speech so that society can function and function well.

Now, let's focus for a bit on social media. It's no secret that social media has dethroned the printed word as the primary source of news and information for most Americans. Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg have claimed that their social media platforms are the new "town square." Yet, social media platforms have resisted the same regulations and restrictions that held print journalism accountable. The new "town square" has become a sewer of disinformation, hate communities, and otherwise harmful products detrimental to our society. Listen, if social media wants all the power of what print journalism had 50 years ago, then it needs to abide by certain standards. Right now, it hasn't any. And it's hurting our society. Observe:

1. American Enemies Exploit Social Media: Just recently social media was used once again by Russia to promote the Kremlin's talking pts. With a few million bucks, it paid several right wing propagandists to derail the American-led effort to aid Ukraine. This is a national security risk. We know from both the Mueller Report and the Republican-led Senate Report in 2020 that America's greatest enemies, China, Iran, North Korea, and Russia are exploiting social media to divide the west. We need to raise our defenses here.
2. Social Media Hurts Mental Health: Social media companies know that their algorithms hurt people, especially young people. Because they prioritize keeping customers on their platforms and not accurately informing them, they don't care about mental health. Similar to the tobacco companies of the 1990s, they're fighting regulation so they can continue to exploit young people, even if it kills them. Why are we tolerating this?
3. Disinformation Leads to Death: We are currently seeing how Facebook has inspired conspiracies against Haitians living in Ohio. We have seen it spread disinformation about elections, disease and vaccines, and even genocide. A few years back, it led to genocide in Thailand. Quite honestly, if Facebook knew it could be held accountable for the hate and death that it inspires, it would be compelled to change. At the very least, do away with its algorithms. If they want to be the "new town square" then they need to have some sort of standard. We also saw during the Trump administration people who innocently liked a community or post about "reopening schools" and then a few clicks later, due to the algorithm, were led to extremist communities and right wing hate groups. This isn't how a democracy is sustained. I recommend reading this article. It's alarming.
4. Regulation of Toxic Social Media for Better Outcomes is a Net Good for Society: Having standards, improving the transparency, and making social media healthier isn't a bad thing. I liken this to the formation of the FDA 100 years ago. A century ago, food producers didn't need to provide expiration dates for their products or actually provide accurately labeled drugs for their medicine. Like today, there was a need and there was push back from "free speech absolutists" who felt that the government forcing food and drug producers to be held to certain standards was a step too far by the government. Over time, the FDA has proven its worth. Protecting consumers from rancid food or inaccurately labeled drugs or medicines tainted with glass shards has saved countless lives. I believe that the same must be done to social media companies.

As usual, I'll provide a few ideas supported by experts to demonstrate the seriousness of this topic. Here are a few ideas to help make social media more accountable and responsible to make it safer for Americans:
1. Transparency: If social media companies continue to use their algorithms, then they must be transparent in why they're showing what they're showing in one's newsfeed.
2. Create a New Non-Partisan Agency: Much like the FDA, create a new government agency to establish rules and regulate social media companies. This agency could team up with fact-checkers to ensure that social media platforms aren't merely being used by malicious foreign powers or bad faith actors.
3. Break Up Monopolies: Currently, Facebook connects over 2 billion people to its network. So a disinformation campaign or a hate community will find plenty of consumers, especially if a few clicks of the algorithm connect innocent people to these groups. There comes a point where one company is just too powerful. Break it up. Encourage competition so that the free market can thrive.
4. Enable Social Media Companies to be Held Liable: If the disinformation that social media companies refuse to take down or correct lead to harm, they need to be held liable just as any newspaper would. They shouldn't be given special privileges.

Lastly, this was a time consuming post. This isn't directed at any particular user, but if people want to join in on this conversation, I ask that you refrain from the usual ad-hominem attacks and silly posts. Your post will be ignored and I will block you. Frankly, I just don't have the time to waste on stupid people on here. So if you want to have a serious conversation about this topic, back your opinion up with some evidence. Otherwise, don't post. No one is forcing you to reply to anything I post. This is your only warning.

References:


View: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/al-franken-madiba-dennie-steven-brill/id1645614328?i=1000657366955


I think this is worth a watch:

View: https://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser_what_obligation_do_social_media_platforms_have_to_the_greater_good?subtitle=en
 
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Because the "slippery slope" stuff keeps getting stopped in its tracks at the judicial level. Because it's unconstitutional. Because the 1st amendment (which you don't seem to understand, since you keep citing examples that fall outside of it) disallows it.

You should go look at what the GOP believes online harmful speech is. Do you think social media platforms should be banned from allowing people to post helpful resources for the LGBT community? Because saying the government should be able to regulate social media is an open invitation for them to ban precisely that, among many other things you'd strongly disagree with banning. And they have literally tried. Go see the laws that Texas and Florida passed that the courts halted.

Allowing the government to regulate social media is, by extension, allowing the government to decide what constitutes harmful speech. It is NOT what you seem to think it would be (banning speech that you think is harmful).
This is not what we're talking about at all.

And you're using straw man fallacy in an attempt to prevent any regulation of social media companies. It's akin to "What's stopping the government from taking away ALL guns if we allow the government to regulate some guns? Therefore, we can't have any regulation of any guns!"

It's just not a mature and honest discussion and if this is a taste of what we're going to have here then I seriously just wasted about 30 minutes typing up my previous post.
 
We already regulate free speech.
  • Can you yell "fire" in a theater?
  • Have you ever tried hosting a concert in your neighborhood at 3:00 am?
  • We have laws against revenge porn.
  • Do you find restrictions against child porn to infringe on your free speech?
Listing the extremely limited ways that the 1st amendment allows the government to regulate free speech is a horrible argument for why we should loosen up the 1st amendment to allow the government to regulate "harmful" speech online, as they would define it. Look at how the GOP defines it. I am 100% confident that you don't want the content they're talking about to be banned from social media. And that's what loosening the 1st amendment for what Kamala wants censored would allow for. I can't stress this enough: YOU don't get to decide. The Democrats don't exclusively get to decide.

The 1st amendment is crucial.
 
This is not what we're talking about at all.

And you're using straw man fallacy in an attempt to prevent any regulation of social media companies. It's akin to "What's stopping the government from taking away ALL guns if we allow the government to regulate some guns? Therefore, we can't have any regulation of any guns!"

It's just not a mature and honest discussion and if this is a taste of what we're going to have here then I seriously just wasted about 30 minutes typing up my previous post.
I guess I don't understand what you're envisioning here. Some carve-out to the 1st amendment that allows the government to regulate harmful content or misinformation on social media, but ONLY if the DEMOCRATS say it's harmful content or misinformation?

Because that's not how it would work. Like at all. Once you give the government power to regulate harmful content or misinformation, that means you're giving the GOP that same power when they're the ones in charge. And it doesn't take much research to see what content they deem harmful or misinformation, and why you should be opposed to that.
 
I guess I don't understand what you're envisioning here. Some carve-out to the 1st amendment that allows the government to regulate harmful content or misinformation on social media, but ONLY if the DEMOCRATS say it's harmful content or misinformation?

Because that's not how it would work. Like at all. Once you give the government power to regulate harmful content or misinformation, that means you're giving the GOP that same power when they're the ones in charge. And it doesn't take much research to see what content they deem harmful or misinformation, and why you should be opposed to that.
Really if you're giving politicians that power you're giving it to the Military Industrial Complex, Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Finance, Big Social Media. It becomes this sort of Ouroboros. If politicians take control, then they can provide cover for the mega corporations while giving the mega corporations every single thing they could ever dream of.
 
Really if you're giving politicians that power you're giving it to the Military Industrial Complex, Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Finance, Big Social Media. It becomes this sort of Ouroboros. If politicians take control, then they can provide cover for the mega corporations while giving the mega corporations every single thing they could ever dream of.
Which is essentially what is happening now anyway with no regulation and no enforcement of existing regulations. Until we break the connection between big money (meaning to encompass all the industries that bribe politicians) and politics all of this is pretty academic anyway. None of them have the guts to go after the hand that feeds them millions. The most recent activity on anti-trust and price fixing is the strongest response we've seen to business taking advantage of their pet politicians in over 2 decades. We need to see more of this.
 
Which is essentially what is happening now anyway with no regulation and no enforcement of existing regulations. Until we break the connection between big money (meaning to encompass all the industries that bribe politicians) and politics all of this is pretty academic anyway. None of them have the guts to go after the hand that feeds them millions. The most recent activity on anti-trust and price fixing is the strongest response we've seen to business taking advantage of their pet politicians in over 2 decades. We need to see more of this.

Term limits.
 
Term limits.
Agreed. If we had the term I've been advocating for president we wouldn't even be in the conversation we are having right now. I'd like to see the president serve a single 6-year term, with no possibility of reelection. Gives them a year to kiss special interest ***, like they all do at the beginning, and a year at the end to campaign for the next guy, and 4 years in between to actually do ****. Would be way more productive than our current system.
 
Listing the extremely limited ways that the 1st amendment allows the government to regulate free speech is a horrible argument for why we should loosen up the 1st amendment to allow the government to regulate "harmful" speech online, as they would define it. Look at how the GOP defines it. I am 100% confident that you don't want the content they're talking about to be banned from social media. And that's what loosening the 1st amendment for what Kamala wants censored would allow for. I can't stress this enough: YOU don't get to decide. The Democrats don't exclusively get to decide.

The 1st amendment is crucial.
Read the rest of the post. Get past the part about fire in a theater stuff.

There are a lot of good points in that post.

Like do you want NO limits and NO regulations? Do you think it would be ok if I went on social media and posted your address and said you were a pedophile and someone came and shot your family? No issue with something like that?

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Read the rest of the post. Get past the part about fire in a theater stuff.

There are a lot of good points in that post.

Like do you want NO limits and NO regulations? Do you think it would be ok if I went on social media and posted your address and said you were a pedophile and someone came and shot your family? No issue with something like that?

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Again, there is a difference between Government regulation and Social media self regulating.
 
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