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2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

The Jazz Wonderbra said:
John Collins could be the main piece in an Ingram trade if Ingram changed his tune.
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This thread is heading deeper and deeper into pure fantasy territory.

You're not getting value back for Sexton or Collins. That's just a fact.

Collin was brought in to be an entertaining tank commander – a role he knows well – and the Collins trade still makes zero sense. He has a rep around the league as an overpaid, undersized roll man who's a tough fit on any roster. That hasn't changed despite some incremental improvements.

Danny Ainge must go. He's done a terrible job.
 
HermanG said:
To expand/justify on my previous post and show some of the advanced stats where John beats Lauri this year:

StatJohn CollinsLauri Markkanen
TS%63.9%60.3%
PPP (isolation)1.29 (3rd best in NBA)0.77
Offensive on/off+10.8 (95th percentile)+1.5 (61st percentile)
Defensive on/off-3.0 (71st percentile)+0.5 (46th percentile)
BPM2.41.0
VORP0.70.4
PIE14.111.9
PER21.2117.35
NetRTG-3.7 (best of all Jazz main rotation guys)-8.6

Some of those non team-dependant numbers are flat out awesome (TS% for his shot selection, isolation PPP, PER).... so its not only about Lauri numbers being way below what he has put up last two years.
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Add in 18 pts / 8 rebounds. Thats up 3 pts per game from last year.

Would you rather John Collins at 18 / 8 and 2 years remaining? Or one of the following for the same money...

Terry Rozier
Kyle Kuzma
Jonathan Issac
Tobias Harris
Anfernee Simons
RJ Barrett
Miles Bridges
Nic Claxton
Andrew Wiggins
Tyler Herro ($4 million more x 3 years)

Those players are all paid within +/- $4 million of John Collins. Along with Jaren Jackson, Jalen Brunson, and Draymond Green.

That's the value you get in the league for $26 mil per year.
 
I don't expect Collins will be traded because teams don't have $26 million laying around, but if a team has a stressed contract, Collins is a solid upgrade vs a lot of options on the market based on how he is playing. It is his best year in the last 5 no question.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
I remember after Lauri's first year here everyone thought he would keep getting better and better. And I said we'd be lucky to just get a repeat of that season.

As of now, that first year with us is looking like his career outlier.
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I guess you can call us lucky then. His two full seasons here are pretty much identical, excluding the fact that he got to play the first half of the season with Conley. Which, by the way, is still the best teammate Lauri has played with in his career.
 
HeatCheck said:
I'd easily trade JC for expirings but would need some kind of asset/young prospect for Sexton. He's clearly better than the KPJ or Cole Anthony types who are getting legit rotation minutes on playoff teams. If the Magic had anything better than Cole Anthony coming off their bench they would be playing in Vegas this weekend.
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The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Add in 18 pts / 8 rebounds. Thats up 3 pts per game from last year.

Would you rather John Collins at 18 / 8 and 2 years remaining? Or one of the following for the same money...

Terry Rozier
Kyle Kuzma
Jonathan Issac
Tobias Harris
Anfernee Simons
RJ Barrett
Miles Bridges
Nic Claxton
Andrew Wiggins
Tyler Herro ($4 million more x 3 years)

Those players are all paid within +/- $4 million of John Collins. Along with Jaren Jackson, Jalen Brunson, and Draymond Green.

That's the value you get in the league for $26 mil per year.
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I would take collins over all those first dudes you mentioned and over draymond as well. Not over JJ or Brunson though.
 
I think Sexton could go to LAL for a 5 seconds type package. Could be a combo of first round swaps or remove protections…whatever. It likely won’t be a real first. I think LAL will only do bargain bin shopping.

I’d be down for it. Don’t see a purpose of Sexton on this team as we’re tanking. I had thought Sexton had a chance a leveling up, but don’t think he will and if he has that ability it certainly won’t be here.
 
Still think Collins to SAC makes a ton of sense and then we reroute Huerter somewhere like ORL. Collins has played amazing this year.

Could also see a Sexton+Collins trade to LAL happening where we get a bunch of their junk. Rui+DLO+Vando. Could be enough to get a first out of them. But I still don’t think they will even give out a first just to remain mid.
 
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Week by week its getting harder to deny Collins as a legitimate trade target for playoff teams, and not just a buy low flier. Shooting 50/40/90 (shooting 60% from the corners!) with good rebounding and some tertiary/connective playmaking to go along with it. All while playing with one of the least experienced backcourts in the NBA while playing next to two non-playmaking front court starters. His defense has also been solid as well.

Clippers should be all over him. Would be a huge upgrade to Batum/DJJ/Tucker and would be filthy with Harden. Biggest is thing he's shown he can play next to a true big like Walker, so makes the concerns about pairing him with Zubac less worrisome.

In the same breath, I would no longer just be willing to sell him for anything as the Jazz. I would want legitimate return on my investment.
 
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When you factor in advanced stats and adjust for minutes, you could argue Collins is having the best year of his career.
 
KqWIN said:
I think Sexton could go to LAL for a 5 seconds type package. Could be a combo of first round swaps or remove protections…whatever. It likely won’t be a real first. I think LAL will only do bargain bin shopping.

I’d be down for it. Don’t see a purpose of Sexton on this team as we’re tanking. I had thought Sexton had a chance a leveling up, but don’t think he will and if he has that ability it certainly won’t be here.
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Unfortunately he has leveled down. If teams werent excited to buy him in the off-season after his incredible year last year, I dont think the offers will be there now.

Currently the only team I see that makes a lot of sense for Sexton are the Magic because they have Cole Anthony, who drastically leveled down.

They have a ton of picks, so I dont know why they wouldnt do it unless they are really in on someone else like a Schroeder who they think can be had for cheaper. Schroeder is having a really good season though and is on an expiring, so he will likely have a bigger market, so hopefully the Magic arent able to get him and they have to resort to Sexton.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Unfortunately he has leveled down. If teams werent excited to buy him in the off-season after his incredible year last year, I dont think the offers will be there now.

Currently the only team I see that makes a lot of sense for Sexton are the Magic because they have Cole Anthony, who drastically leveled down.

They have a ton of picks, so I dont know why they wouldnt do it unless they are really in on someone else like a Schroeder who they think can be had for cheaper. Schroeder is having a really good season though and is on an expiring, so he will likely have a bigger market, so hopefully the Magic arent able to get him and they have to resort to Sexton.
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Yeah his value is definitely between nothing and a bunch of seconds. Don't think he will fetch a first. I don't see a future for him beyond his current contract, so I'm not asking for much if anything on top of expiring salary.
 
LAC is not trading DJJ. He's been great for them. Mann is way more realistic to be traded than DJJ. He's a worse player on a bad deal.

The Clippers need a backup scoring guard in the worst way. Clarkson/Sexton makes a lot more sense for them both need and salary wise.
 
Paul Reed released. What are the pistons up to???
 
The usual suspects seem to be mad at me for sticking to my guns and saying that Collins and Sexton still have no market. Shrug.

Not trying to be a contrarian. It's just that people keep trying to talk these trades into existence but there's never any real interest. Ainge will have to take a big L if he wants to get rid of these dudes. Not sure he can stomach that.

Ainge's Jazz career has been full of some of the worst GM'ing I've ever seen. Incomprehensible (or nonexistent) strategy, bad drafting, publicly lying to his own players, reluctant communication. Just a clown show.

Maybe firing Danny Ainge is the first step on the road back to relevance. He seems to be more invested in BYU than the Jazz anyway. Let him devote 100% of his energy to it instead of just 90%.
 
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