What is going on with Collier?

[gomretat]

Too early to call anything.

Exactly.

This is practically an epidemic among the current Jazz youngins (except Kessler). They're college basketball players masquerading as NBA pros. The skills are not translating.

We have to call it like it is. Ainge's drafting has been terrible. Walker is literally the only one who has performed exactly as advertised.

It is too early to tell but it is not looking good. And for the record, Ainge didnt draft Kessler.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Collier is the 29th overall pick as a freshman. Late round freshman typically arent NBA ready. It's a project.

 

[HeatCheck]

Collier is getting frozen out by the vets. Last few games he was at times completely alone on the wing and Sexton and Clarkson both opted not to pass to him.

If he isnt bringing the ball up, he aint touching it

Same thing happens with Cody. He gets completely frozen out by the veterans even Lauri. Honestly can't say that I blame them. These kids are not ready for NBA minutes while JC, Collins, Sexton, Lauri, Kessler are trying to win and more importantly earn their next contracts. Lauri is the only one of those guys with a long term contract.

It's just a really bad combo and the blame doesn't go to anyone except the front office. The focus was supposedly on player development and positioning for the draft. This doesn't align at all with having so many "vets" on the team who obviously have different priorities.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Same thing happens with Cody. He gets completely frozen out by the veterans even Lauri. Honestly can't say that I blame them. These kids are not ready for NBA minutes while JC, Collins, Sexton, Lauri, Kessler are trying to win and more importantly earn their next contracts. Lauri is the only one of those guys with a long term contract.

It's just a really bad combo and the blame doesn't go to anyone except the front office. The focus was supposedly on player development and positioning for the draft. This doesn't align at all with having so many "vets" on the team who obviously have different priorities.

Some of yall are so delusional. Developing young guys doesnt mean letting them go out there and lose by 30+ every night.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

I still think Collier is going to figure it out and be good.

 

[jazznik]

I mean, it's really really hard to score in the paint as a guy with a short standing reach if you can't jump.

I think it is more than that Collier is strong, stiff, earthbound and and has poor coordination. He is built like a Rottweiler. Collier simply does not have the ability to weave around the players in the paint. That really limits him in what he can do.

I think that Collier has a higher chance to end up being a complete bust than either Flip or Cody. He simply does not seem to have physical tools to play his position on the NBA level.

 

[homeytennis]

I might be getting worried about his and Cody's shooting mechanics. Isaih shot a blistering 9% from three in Vegas. Also the legendary Michael Devoe, Isiah Wong, and Max Admas all outscored and outshot him in Vegas. He and young master Cody better get with the Jazz shooting coaches between now and training camp.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Exactly.

This is practically an epidemic among the current Jazz youngins (except Kessler). They're college basketball players masquerading as NBA pros. The skills are not translating.

We have to call it like it is. Ainge's drafting has been terrible. Walker is literally the only one who has performed exactly as advertised.

He didn’t draft Kessler.

 

[Tanktastic]

Collier is getting frozen out by the vets. Last few games he was at times completely alone on the wing and Sexton and Clarkson both opted not to pass to him.

If he isnt bringing the ball up, he aint touching it

That's everybody on this team. The rooks of course even more so. But if Sexton or JC has the ball, no-one else is probably touching it. Especially in the 4th Q. Not Lauri, not John, not Walker.

And Hardy is fine with it.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Collier has never inspired when it comes to shooting. I love his defense and his playmaker though. But if you don't respect his shot, he will not be able to playmake.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Currently, Collier has a TS% of 34.6% and a turnover percentage of 34.4%.

Generally, the TS% is 30 to 50 points higher than turnover percentage and no player has ever had a season with their turnover percentage being higher than their TS%.

Would be a pretty horrendous but remarkable achievement.

Obviously, Collier's TS% and turnover percentage are the worst in NBA history.

 

[KqWIN]

I like Collier's effort, but let's be real here. He is not NBA level right now and arguably the worst player in the league getting minutes. No such thing as "freezing out" the worst player in the league. Especially a ball dominant ball handler. He's not good enough right now and chances are he won't be ever.