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The Jazz ought to trade for Zion Williamson

Just an FYI some national guys were like "would you even give up one pick for him????" and while its never the perfect indicator I do think his value would be pretty low right now. If you offered the Cavs pick, Collins, and one more future pick I think they might bite. It gets them out of the tax. Its not nothing on our end but maybe we could slap some protections on the pick to make it low downside.
 
JimLes said:
Again, his contract is not guaranteed. Not this year, not any years left on it.
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But if you trade for him and decide to waive him because he didn't meet his played games quota you've just made the worst trade in NBA history (okay, okay, probably not, but it would be a contender).
 
I'd pass if I were a GM - not trashing the idea though, I like taking risk but he doesn't seem to have passion for the game after he got paid
 
hgb said:
But if you trade for him and decide to waive him because he didn't meet his played games quota you've just made the worst trade in NBA history (okay, okay, probably not, but it would be a contender).
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(Given that you gave up substantial value, of course. If we're talking Collins + Cavs this year + one future pick with some protections like HH suggested, that's a different story, but I don't see that happening.)
 
hgb said:
But if you trade for him and decide to waive him because he didn't meet his played games quota you've just made the worst trade in NBA history (okay, okay, probably not, but it would be a contender).
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Him not playing games feeds the tank. If we were trying to make the playoffs or something I'd agree. Its a trade where if the acquisition price is right the floor is not that bad and the ceiling outcomes are pretty great.

I doubt he ever gets his head completely right tho and I would understand teams just avoiding the whole issue.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Him not playing games feeds the tank. If we were trying to make the playoffs or something I'd agree. Its a trade where if the acquisition price is right the floor is not that bad and the ceiling outcomes are pretty great.

I doubt he ever gets his head completely right tho and I would understand teams just avoiding the whole issue.
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Not playing this year isn't a problem, but if we trade real value for Zion, I'm guessing the idea is to become good relatively quickly. If we want him to sit on the bench and take up cap space for 4 years I can think of better plans.
I'm pretty out on a Zion deal regardless, though. Of course I'd take the gamble if he's really cheap, but I don't think he will be, so...
 
JimLes said:
This is like asking me to do three long jumps and then saying the very last one is the best predictor of what my 4th one will look like.

My whole idea of trading for Zion is predicated on us being able to restore him to his best. His best was 3.5 years ago and not a year ago. It's all hypothetical, anyway. Not sure why you're arguing semantics.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but conversational. I think it's relevant to the conversation what Zion's best case scenario looks like and the difference between MVP candidate and borderline allstar is more than just semantics.

I think your reasoning for thinking he can be an MVP candidate is fine. I don't think I can get there which is why I would not give up nearly as much as what you suggested.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Just an FYI some national guys were like "would you even give up one pick for him????" and while its never the perfect indicator I do think his value would be pretty low right now. If you offered the Cavs pick, Collins, and one more future pick I think they might bite. It gets them out of the tax. Its not nothing on our end but maybe we could slap some protections on the pick to make it low downside.
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Yeah, if they want a platter of meh for him then I am probably down. I just don’t see that happening.
 
hgb said:
But if you trade for him and decide to waive him because he didn't meet his played games quota you've just made the worst trade in NBA history (okay, okay, probably not, but it would be a contender).
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My idea is mostly trading the Cleveland picks and swaps. I really don't think they're going to be very valuable and we've already got more young players(and are about to get even more) than playing time or roster spots.

And obviously, it would take something of value to pry Zion. If we could send them Clarkson and a 2RP, I'd love that, but it's even more realistic than my original proposal.
 
The Great Zion Conundrum is do you sell on him while he looks healthy and has some actual value, or just continue to hold to the point where he becomes Ben Simmons?

I think NOLA is better off moving off him and just trying to build through the next two drafts. The vibes have always been off with him there.
 
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