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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
My point is if you tell teams that if they tank on purpose they’ll lose their pick. Isn’t that enough to keep teams from doing whatever it takes? Obviously guidelines would be hammered out. If it works maybe they do away with the lottery all together. Maybe hire an outside firm of some kind to judge weather a team is tanking or not.
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The furthest I would go is to have a league doctor on each team's staff that flags issues for potential fines that can be reviewed and appealed.
 
Does Jabari Smith Jr's outcome give anyone pause over Ace or Tre? Obviously he is not a 1:1 comparison to those guys, but if I'm being honest I think I would firmly have him 3rd in this draft (as a prospect) and he shared some concerns that Tre and Ace have.

My general feeling is:

1) I would still bet on his shooting. 42% from 3 and 80% from the line on good volume/higher degree of difficulty. I would bet on any player who shot the ball that well to be a great shooter in the NBA, it's just a bad outcome for Jabari to be a mediocre shooter and that is holding him back from being a great role player. Having said that, pull up jump shooting has to be one of the volatile/variable things to predict.

2) I think Jabari's concerns, namely his inability to attack the hoop, have become true but we shouldn't be too surprised. He only shot 44% from 2 at Auburn and it's because he was a heavy mid range shooter. He's a decent mid range shooter in the NBA, especially from 10-16 feet, but shot creation in the NBA isn't about hitting tough shots at a higher rate....it's about creating offense from the efficient areas.
 
KqWIN said:
Does Jabari Smith Jr's outcome give anyone pause over Ace or Tre? Obviously he is not a 1:1 comparison to those guys, but if I'm being honest I think I would firmly have him 3rd in this draft (as a prospect) and he shared some concerns that Tre and Ace have.

My general feeling is:

1) I would still bet on his shooting. 42% from 3 and 80% from the line on good volume/higher degree of difficulty. I would bet on any player who shot the ball that well to be a great shooter in the NBA, it's just a bad outcome for Jabari to be a mediocre shooter and that is holding him back from being a great role player. Having said that, pull up jump shooting has to be one of the volatile/variable things to predict.

2) I think Jabari's concerns, namely his inability to attack the hoop, have become true but we shouldn't be too surprised. He only shot 44% from 2 at Auburn and it's because he was a heavy mid range shooter. He's a decent mid range shooter in the NBA, especially from 10-16 feet, but shot creation in the NBA isn't about hitting tough shots at a higher rate....it's about creating offense from the efficient areas.
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Yes. I love Jabari in the draft. I still wonder if there is more there and he'd be a guy I'd want to get and see if you can tease more out of him. I just would be hesitant to pay a ton with his contract in case he is closer to his ceiling.

I think Ace has more juice off the dribble but doesn't really use it to pressure the rim. Does that open up with NBA space? Or does he get stronger or better coaching and it changes things? I think Ace and VJ will basically be a coin flip for me at 3. I would trend more towards VJ as Ace has a lower floor. Tre doesn't do enough for me other than score. Can't decide if he is a juiced up Buddy Hield or slim Sensabaugh or poor mans Booker (or a bust of course is always on the table).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
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Hakeem standing next to a 7'4 14 year old
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Does he play basketball? And someone get PGAB with those binoculars out of the bushes from his house. Good lord is he still growing??
Saint Cy of JFC said:
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How is it any different from teams losing picks for tampering with players. They, including the Jazz are basically tampering with the lottery. At seasons end just investigate and determine if a team tanked on purpose. If something like this is put in place teams won’t tank.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes. I love Jabari in the draft. I still wonder if there is more there and he'd be a guy I'd want to get and see if you can tease more out of him. I just would be hesitant to pay a ton with his contract in case he is closer to his ceiling.

I think Ace has more juice off the dribble but doesn't really use it to pressure the rim. Does that open up with NBA space? Or does he get stronger or better coaching and it changes things? I think Ace and VJ will basically be a coin flip for me at 3. I would trend more towards VJ as Ace has a lower floor. Tre doesn't do enough for me other than score. Can't decide if he is a juiced up Buddy Hield or slim Sensabaugh or poor mans Booker (or a bust of course is always on the table).
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Cy once made the comparison I have liked about Tre. He is a 6'6" Jordan Clarkson. He has that herky jerky body movement that Clarkson has. He is a better shooter but maybe not the passer Clarkson is but Clarkson wasn't always a good passer either.

I think at 5 it wouldn't be great to get a perennial 6th man of the years but I could live with that floor. I think he could be more than that.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes. I love Jabari in the draft. I still wonder if there is more there and he'd be a guy I'd want to get and see if you can tease more out of him. I just would be hesitant to pay a ton with his contract in case he is closer to his ceiling.

I think Ace has more juice off the dribble but doesn't really use it to pressure the rim. Does that open up with NBA space? Or does he get stronger or better coaching and it changes things? I think Ace and VJ will basically be a coin flip for me at 3. I would trend more towards VJ as Ace has a lower floor. Tre doesn't do enough for me other than score. Can't decide if he is a juiced up Buddy Hield or slim Sensabaugh or poor mans Booker (or a bust of course is always on the table).
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I think Ace does have more juice than Jabari, and he is a lot better at hitting the mid range shot (not the three ball though). But uses that juice to create fading away jumpers and not much else. He loves that shot, he can get that shot at any time, he's actually very good at making those shots, but those shots suck. If you could show him the math and get him to use his talent to attack the hoop first, or even just stretch his game out to be a heavy 3 point shooter, I think he could be pretty good. He has that Deandre Ayton mentality right now and I hate it.

I had the same concern as you about Tre. And to be clear, I do think he has the potential to be the very best of that archetype....like it's not unrealistic he's a Booker or Herro. If he falls short of that, there are a lot of comps, but these players aren't really my favorite kinds of players. Gun to my head, I think Tre has a higher shot of being Herro than VJ does of becoming peak Oladipo or whatever....but I'm a Melton > Hield type of guy so I think I just prefer VJ.

BTW somewhat unrelated, but Brice was actually a beast at Ohio St. He only played 25 mpg, but his scoring/efficiency was off the charts. I don't know why I'm bringing this up other to say that even with the medical red flags, it's pretty crazy that someone with this much raw production as a freshman fell that far. Same goes for Collier tbh.
 
Chargers Jazz Angels said:
Cy once made the comparison I have liked about Tre. He is a 6'6" Jordan Clarkson. He has that herky jerky body movement that Clarkson has. He is a better shooter but maybe not the passer Clarkson is but Clarkson wasn't always a good passer either.

I think at 5 it wouldn't be great to get a perennial 6th man of the years but I could live with that floor. I think he could be more than that.
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A 6-6 better shooting Clarkson sounds money to me.
 
KqWIN said:
I think Ace does have more juice than Jabari, and he is a lot better at hitting the mid range shot (not the three ball though). But uses that juice to create fading away jumpers and not much else. He loves that shot, he can get that shot at any time, he's actually very good at making those shots, but those shots suck. If you could show him the math and get him to use his talent to attack the hoop first, or even just stretch his game out to be a heavy 3 point shooter, I think he could be pretty good. He has that Deandre Ayton mentality right now and I hate it.

I had the same concern as you about Tre. And to be clear, I do think he has the potential to be the very best of that archetype....like it's not unrealistic he's a Booker or Herro. If he falls short of that, there are a lot of comps, but these players aren't really my favorite kinds of players. Gun to my head, I think Tre has a higher shot of being Herro than VJ does of becoming peak Oladipo or whatever....but I'm a Melton > Hield type of guy so I think I just prefer VJ.

BTW somewhat unrelated, but Brice was actually a beast at Ohio St. He only played 25 mpg, but his scoring/efficiency was off the charts. I don't know why I'm bringing this up other to say that even with the medical red flags, it's pretty crazy that someone with this much raw production as a freshman fell that far. Same goes for Collier tbh.
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And a little crazy that Sensabaugh was a flame thrower that some Jazz fans were ready to quit on and that the coach wasn't using... thank goodness he showed out.

I think Tre is kinda twitchy as far as how he moves and I think Brice is not that way at all. Its just what sticks out to me when watching the highlights. So he might be able to do more in the NBA whereas Brice's strength advantage he used in college is a little bit neutered.

With Ace so much would come down to intel we won't get. What kind of kid is he, what kind of work ethic, what is his personality. If a guy like Ayton were to be super committed and just a smart guy... the outcome could have been so different.
 
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