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Kinda agree with Thriller and Fotso here…

Feel like I’m missing something because the other side seems extremely passionate about how wrong they are. Obviously getting fentanyl off the streets is a good thing. But I definitely think the administration use it as a boogeyman (as someone put it) to amplify the border and immigration **** they do, and they care about that way more than low class drug addicts.

A good thing being done for the wrong reasons, maybe? I’m not super well informed so I defer to others but I can definitely see the point that’s being made
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Kinda agree with Thriller and Fotso here…

Feel like I’m missing something because the other side seems extremely passionate about how wrong they are. Obviously getting fentanyl off the streets is a good thing. But I definitely think the administration use it as a boogeyman (as someone put it) to amplify the border and immigration **** they do, and they care about that way more than low class drug addicts.

A good thing being done for the wrong reasons, maybe? I’m not super well informed so I defer to others but I can definitely see the point that’s being made
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This is literally exactly what I posted.
I literally said that trump doesn't actually care about the fentanyl problem and that he is using it as a prop.
But if, (and since I don't trust trump at all, it's a big if) the trump administration is slowing the flow of fentanyl then that's a good thing because fetanyl is a horrible horrible drugs that kills lots of people.
 
fishonjazz said:
This is literally exactly what I posted.
I literally said that trump doesn't actually care about the fentanyl problem and that he is using it as a prop.
But if, (and since I don't trust trump at all, it's a big if) the trump administration is slowing the flow of fentanyl then that's a good thing because fetanyl is a horrible horrible drugs that kills lots of people.
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My exact post originally: You (thriller) are right that trump doesn't give a **** about fentanyl or drug addiction and is simply using it as a prop in his war against immigrants but sardines is also right that fentanyl is a problem.
 
Thriller post: oh noeessss! Fentanyl! I'm so scared!
Sardines response to that: Well fentanyl is a serious problem.
First sentence in thrillers response to sardines post: is it?
Sardines response: Yes. Fentanyl is a big problem. Many more addicts are dying than ever before and the reason is Fentanyl.

I'm not sure what the **** else you're talking about but it has nothing to do with the reality that Fentanyl is a problem.

Notice that no one is arguing about how great and altruistic the trump admin is. Simply arguing that fentanyl is a problem.

Thriller decided to argue with sardines and I point that fentanyl is a problem by bringing up a bunch of stuff that neither of us were arguing against.
 
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Bawse Dawg said:
Kinda agree with Thriller and Fotso here…

Feel like I’m missing something because the other side seems extremely passionate about how wrong they are. Obviously getting fentanyl off the streets is a good thing. But I definitely think the administration use it as a boogeyman (as someone put it) to amplify the border and immigration **** they do, and they care about that way more than low class drug addicts.

A good thing being done for the wrong reasons, maybe? I’m not super well informed so I defer to others but I can definitely see the point that’s being made
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The Thriller is acting like Fentanyl is a completely made up issue by Trump. My entire point was that it is an actual issue that affects many people in the U.S..

Thriller countered with this holier than thou he doesn't have an addiction to opiates so why should we worry about anyone who does. That seems pretty rich coming from a person who generally champions social benefit programs.

More than anyone else here on the left Thriller takes a Democrats represent all things that are good and Republicans represent all things that are evil stance.

My entire point was that Fentanyl is an actual issue that should be addressed to the best of our ability. Do I think closed borders and deportations will fix it? Nope. Was not anywhere close to my point.
 
Sardines said:
The Thriller is acting like Fentanyl is a completely made up issue by Trump. My entire point was that it is an actual issue that affects many people in the U.S..

Thriller countered with this holier than thou he doesn't have an addiction to opiates so why should we worry about anyone who does. That seems pretty rich coming from a person who generally champions social benefit programs.

More than anyone else here on the left Thriller takes a Democrats represent all things that are good and Republicans represent all things that are evil stance.

My entire point was that Fentanyl is an actual issue that should be addressed to the best of our ability. Do I think closed borders and deportations will fix it? Nope. Was not anywhere close to my point.
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I don't want to speak for him, but I think you're misunderstanding what he said. He was repeating conservative talking points sarcastically. Conservatives viewed crack addiction in black communities as a personal moral failure. It is the individual's fault they got addicted. It's the fault of their environment, lack of moral development, lack of good role models, inherent inferiority, etc. To conservatives, there was no one to blame but the addicts themselves, and the only remedy was to lock them up (see the tough on crime and DARE campaigns that were so prevalent in the 80s and 90s). But when it comes to a drug problem that affects white communities, suddenly, there is no more individual responsibility or moral failures. They're addicted because of Hispanics bringing in the drug across the southern border. The remedy is to stop those people from bringing in the drugs. It's a double standard that is being disingenuously exploited by Trump to advance his agenda.
 
Fosto said:
I don't want to speak for him, but I think you're misunderstanding what he said. He was repeating conservative talking points sarcastically. Conservatives viewed crack addiction in black communities as a personal moral failure. It is the individual's fault they got addicted. It's the fault of their environment, lack of moral development, lack of good role models, inherent inferiority, etc. To conservatives, there was no one to blame but the addicts themselves, and the only remedy was to lock them up (see the tough on crime and DARE campaigns that were so prevalent in the 80s and 90s). But when it comes to a drug problem that affects white communities, suddenly, there is no more individual responsibility or moral failures. They're addicted because of Hispanics bringing in the drug across the southern border. The remedy is to stop those people from bringing in the drugs. It's a double standard that is being disingenuously exploited by Trump to advance his agenda.
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Maybe I did misunderstand him initially. fishonjazz quoted the first three posts in this interaction. If I had misunderstood he could have pointed that out. Instead he goes on a holier than thou rant about how he doesn't do opiates. If THAT post was sarcasm than I certainly missed it.
 
Fosto said:
I don't want to speak for him, but I think you're misunderstanding what he said. He was repeating conservative talking points sarcastically. Conservatives viewed crack addiction in black communities as a personal moral failure. It is the individual's fault they got addicted. It's the fault of their environment, lack of moral development, lack of good role models, inherent inferiority, etc. To conservatives, there was no one to blame but the addicts themselves, and the only remedy was to lock them up (see the tough on crime and DARE campaigns that were so prevalent in the 80s and 90s). But when it comes to a drug problem that affects white communities, suddenly, there is no more individual responsibility or moral failures. They're addicted because of Hispanics bringing in the drug across the southern border. The remedy is to stop those people from bringing in the drugs. It's a double standard that is being disingenuously exploited by Trump to advance his agenda.
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Exactly this.
 
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