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rippimpc said:
Don’t disagree. Question is, what material changes are you willing to make because of it?

Even more important, what material changes are the 7B in poverty, striving for a better life, willing to make?
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I already said. Small **** that will not make a difference. Government and industry has to make changes in order for anything to happen. There is no amount of person conservation, even if every single person did it, that would make a real difference. A single factory can waste more electricity, water, space, and spew more toxins and greenhouse gasses into the air than hundreds or even thousands of homes.
 
Sardines said:
I already said. Small **** that will not make a difference. Government and industry has to make changes in order for anything to happen. There is no amount of person conservation, even if every single person did it, that would make a real difference. A single factory can waste more electricity, water, space, and spew more toxins and greenhouse gasses into the air than hundreds or even thousands of homes.
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Factories exist because of demand for products. Demand starts at the individual level. On the supply side you can use environmental regulation to improve environmental impacts and rightfully so. If you want better environmental conditions you should support domestic production because we cannot regulate China et al.
 
rippimpc said:
I think some influential climate scientists transition away from science into politics (Mann, Hayhoe, Dessler). They offer up commentary that will sway public opinion and make headlines. That is how politics works. I don’t think it necessarily means climate change isn’t real but you do have to be aware of how the political apparatus operates.

Agree that comments like “the world is ending in 12 years” will ultimately become an albatross for the climate folks, but at the time it galvanized a lot of support. The issue with climate is that it’s a long term issue that will never affect anyone alive today meaningfully. At least not so much as to change your lifestyle because fossil fuels provide so much value. The trade off is incredibly one sided. That could change in the future (like 300 - 500 years or more), it also might not. The question is, do you want to roll that dice?
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Lol. It already affects people today.
Kids at the elementary school had to stay inside rather than go outside for recess a few days this year due to air quality being so poor. Yay fossil fuels.
Also increasing fires, floods, hurricanes, etc. heard something about some issues with lobsters happening due to climate change. People are being affected already in our lifetime.
 
fishonjazz said:
Lol. It already affects people today.
Kids at the elementary school had to stay inside rather than go outside for recess a few days this year due to air quality being so poor. Yay fossil fuels.
Also increasing fires, floods, hurricanes, etc. heard something about some issues with lobsters happening due to climate change. People are being affected already in our lifetime.
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I don’t disagree but have those impacts changed how you will conduct your life meaningfully? If so, in what ways?
 
Sardines said:
You also don't specifically agree. You're equivocating on the issue.
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It’s a complicated subject. There’s no black and white. To be more clear, what I’m saying is climate change is real. But I have not seen evidence of anyone taking it seriously in their daily lives as they turn on the lights, get in their cars, and fly (etc, etc).
 
rippimpc said:
It’s a complicated subject. There’s no black and white. To be more clear, what I’m saying is climate change is real. But I have not seen evidence of anyone taking it seriously in their daily lives as they turn on the lights, get in their cars, and fly (etc, etc).
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Sure, we all have to live in the world that exists.
 
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