An awesome Post-Game Lakers vs. Jazz article

[Deleted member 848]

Man I'd hate to have you as the GM of my team. You'll have a whole lot of pissy vets boycotting practices (ala Prince/Hamilton in Detroit?). You'll be looking left right and centre for trades, etc, etc.

As I've said - if these rookies/2nd year players are playing at an extremely high level consistently, then by all means start them. But as of this moment in time, I do not think either Favors or Kanter are playing up to that level on a CONSISTENT BASIS yet. No Sir-ree. OK Favors scored 12 points last night - but can you count him consistently to do that? How about say in the next game against NY? Against the likes of Chandler and Ama're? Can you seriously throw the ball to Favors/Kanter with Chandler guarding him and say give me 2? Are you kidding me?

I really hope your name in real life isn't Nick, because it would make me hate your username even more.

I do agree with your point, though.

 

[The Midnight]

I really hope your name in real life isn't Nick, because it would make me hate your username even more.

I do agree with your point, though.

LOL.. no it's not Nick.

Your signature's interesting though, cos according to ESPN Kanter's averaging 13.9 Rebounds per 40 min, which works out to be 10.425 per 30 min.

Just sayin'

 

[memo is money]

I could hardly disagree more. I know what you are saying it is often common wisdom, "let them earn their minutes" etc etc. I reject it though. The team, the fans, the organization deserve to have the best combo of players out there as often as possible. If that means a rookie or 2nd year man starts instead of vet, then let it be so if it means winning more games.

And if they get p-offed about not starting, that is what HCs are for. Ty is getting paid a lot to be the head guy. If Paul or Al cannot deal with coming off the bench when that would benefit the team, well, screw 'em. Thats what trades are for.

This is why I sometimes agree with a famous quote "If a coach starts listening to the fans, he winds up sitting next to them".

One should have a hard time proving that providing vast amount of PT for rookies, sophomores GUARANTEES a greater and faster development for them. "Rebuiling" is BS, to me. As I have said in numerous occasions, it's a mix of bad franchise management by GM and disrespect to fans and the game of basketball.

I have witnessed some 2nd round picks, late 1st round picks playing for contending teams, championship teams -with little PT- prove to be A LOT better, matured and reliable NBA players than lottery picks who get all the PT a player can get in a basketball game, who play vast amount of GARBAGE TIME because their team flat out sucks, consists of unproven youngsters and lacks leadership as well as veteran players who can get them understand the NBA game, can offer some valuable inside, tricks, advices.

I am very happy with the way the Jazz develop their players. Favors w/ 20-22 min/game in a team like the Jazz >>>>>>>>> Monroe w/ 30-35 min/game in a terrible "trying to rebuild (but has been TERRIBLE for last couple of years)" Pistons team. IMO, that's how you achieve a consistency in your franchise culture.

 

[Deleted member 848]

LOL.. no it's not Nick.

Your signature's interesting though, cos according to ESPN Kanter's averaging 13.9 Rebounds per 40 min, which works out to be 10.425 per 30 min.

Just sayin'

At first I put it there out of disbelief, because Sepanol made this claim before the season started. I plan on keeping it till the end of the season, to see if Sepanol called it; cuz, quite frankly, he was probably the only person on this board that thought Kanter was gonna come remotely close to averaging 10 rebounds in 30 minutes.

 

[zman1527]

This is why I sometimes agree with a famous quote "If a coach starts listening to the fans, he winds up sitting next to them".

One should have a hard time proving that providing vast amount of PT for rookies, sophomores GUARANTEES a greater and faster development for them. "Rebuiling" is BS, to me. As I have said in numerous occasions, it's a mix of bad franchise management by GM and disrespect to fans and the game of basketball.

I have witnessed some 2nd round picks, late 1st round picks playing for contending teams, championship teams -with little PT- prove to be A LOT better, matured and reliable NBA players than lottery picks who get all the PT a player can get in a basketball game, who play vast amount of GARBAGE TIME because their team flat out sucks, consists of unproven youngsters and lacks leadership as well as veteran players who can get them understand the NBA game, can offer some valuable inside, tricks, advices.

I am very happy with the way the Jazz develop their players. Favors w/ 20-22 min/game in a team like the Jazz >>>>>>>>> Monroe w/ 30-35 min/game in a terrible "trying to rebuild (but has been TERRIBLE for last couple of years)" Pistons team. IMO, that's how you achieve a consistency in your franchise culture.

My point is that, if the team is bettered by it, then Favors or Kanter should start. Is that so hard to understand? Is that not what any coach, GM, or owner would want, a better team?

Some of you seem to think that instead, vets should be favored at all times and in all ways. Not if they do not produce, not if there is a better line-up. One can argue whether it is better starting say AJ-PS or AJ-DF. But if you think that the team would perform better starting AJ-DF with PS-EK off the bench, are you saying you would refuse to do that? Because it p-off a vet? Because rooks and youngin's gotsa earn their PT? BS.

 

[MK11]

Soooo.....how you doin?

Hantlers! Leave her alone!

It's my turn... Sooo UCLAwin, how are you?



Joke aside, I'm a known Kanter homer and of course I don't agree about his nature lacking rebaunding instincts or hustling etc but I can see what UCLAwin trying to say. Enes can sure grab some more rebounds if he tries to be awake all the time. Because sometimes his awareness in the game seems to be scaling down like the times he misses or forgets where his man is on defense. But again, he's just a 19 years old rookie so it's not even a problem as long as he does keep it away from being a habit.

 

[Brown Notes]

@ Z..

You are over-thinking the issue.

Sap and Jefferson are a lot better than Favors and Kanter to this point.

Also Utah is winning a lot of games. What Corbin is doing is working, meanwhile the young guys are, in fact, improving at a quite acceptable pace. As the season goes on those guys will get more opportunities. They are already one injury away from getting close to starter minutes.

To me it's a non-issue, and not at all about favoring vets vs. development or vice verse. Corbin has got it right.

 

[sportsnut1232]

This comment indicates to me that you don't really watch the games. The chemistry between Sap and Al has been great. The problem with mixing up these squads is floor spacing. The opposing PF has to respect Millsap's mid-range game and can't rush over to double Al. Any other combo ruins that.

Favors' mid range game is coming along though.. Give him a little time and playing him with Al in the starting lineup will make sense. Especially with how good of a help defender he is/will become. That could really offset Al's bad/lazy defense.

As for Kanter, it would benefit him greatly playing more with Millsap and his mid range game. He would grab even more offensive rebounds than he does now with only 1 defender around him..

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

IMO, keep starting AJ and Sap but I could see the benifit (offensively) to stagger the minutes slightly so each younin' (Favors & Kanter) get some time in with one of the vets (AJ & Sap).

 

[Ben10]

IMO, keep starting AJ and Sap but I could see the benifit (offensively) to stagger the minutes slightly so each younin' (Favors & Kanter) get some time in with one of the vets (AJ & Sap).

This is what I see happening also as Favors and Kanter continue to progress. Scaling down sap an AJ's minutes but keeping them in the starting lineup.

 

[The Midnight]

At first I put it there out of disbelief, because Sepanol made this claim before the season started. I plan on keeping it till the end of the season, to see if Sepanol called it; cuz, quite frankly, he was probably the only person on this board that thought Kanter was gonna come remotely close to averaging 10 rebounds in 30 minutes.

Yeah exactly my point. I guess you're man enough to still keep that in your signature (proving that Sepanol was right and you were wrong?). I guess we'll see what the stat is by the end of the season. But as of now it's looking pretty good for Sepanol. LOL.

 

[JimLes]

IMO, keep starting AJ and Sap but I could see the benifit (offensively) to stagger the minutes slightly so each younin' (Favors & Kanter) get some time in with one of the vets (AJ & Sap).

The staggering will happen, one way or another. Al has missed games, Paul might miss some in a compacted schedule like this, plus you have foul trouble. The season may be shortened, but there's still a lot of games. I'm not worried about this.