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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

My draft priorities:

- Trade up without overpaying for the #2. Lauri for the #2 for example. Most people feel like that isnt enough but getting an All Star for the #2 pick is fair trade value in most drafts especially with other draft considerations.

- If not then stay at 5 and pick the guy that falls between VJ, Tre, and Bailey

- Pick #21 pick up one of the superfreak lanky athletes remaining in the model of Essengue, Flemming (most likely not available that late), Beringer, Raynauld, etc especially one with the highest ceiling. If none are available then snag a Yang.
 
Can any Analytics Assassins see how many 6'5 (without shoes) or taller lottery picks with 3 (or less) dunks on the season haves fared in the NBA?
 
So Kon tested with a 36.5 inch max vert… slow agility drill… I don’t want to hear about Tre being the better athlete at this point. He has some advantages but not sure that’s one.
 
The Thriller said:
But we already have Kessler. Why throw the kitchen sink to draft a guy who might one day be better than a guy who’s already solid? Why not use those assets to obtain a good player to replace one of our many sucky players? I don’t understand why the center position is a priority (throw the kitchen sink) when our 1-3 are dreadful?

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It's the hope for the new, better, bigger, brighter, shinier thing together with the discounting of what one already has.

It's kind similar to those people on game shows who win a large sum of money but who then gamble it away on the hope of winning an even bigger prize. (Very dumb. It's "house money," or so the reasoning goes. As if it's not real. However, it's pretty much the same thing as taking the same sum of money out of your bank account and gambling that.) Or like the paunchy middle-aged man who's wife hasn't maintained the same figure she had at 19 whose eyes go wandering. (The large number of balding, overweight middle-aged men who objectify women and think they're an object of sexual desire for young female hotties is always an amazing thing to behold.)

The known is never is as good, sexy, or exciting as the unknown, into which we pour all of our hopes, dreams, and fantasies.
 
Schrödinger's Gerbil said:
It's the hope for the new, better, bigger, brighter, shinier thing together with the discounting of what one already has.

It's kind similar to those people on game shows who win a large sum of money but who then gamble it away on the hope of winning an even bigger prize. (Very dumb. It's "house money," or so the reasoning goes. As if it's not real. However, it's pretty much the same thing as taking the same sum of money out of your bank account and gambling that.) Or like the paunchy middle-aged man who's wife hasn't maintained the same figure she had at 19 whose eyes go wandering. (The large number of balding, overweight middle-aged men who objectify women and think they're an object of sexual desire for young female hotties is always an amazing thing to behold.)

The known is never is as good, sexy, or exciting as the unknown, into which we pour all of our hopes, dreams, and fantasies.
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This is a weird post and I don’t really know what you’re talking about.

I dont think we should be throwing the kitchen sink at any center (it’s the most replaceable position in basketball) unless they’re named joker. And I wouldn’t throw the kitchen sink at any duke player in this draft unless they’re named cooper.
 
The Thriller said:
This is a weird post and I don’t really know what you’re talking about.

I dont think we should be throwing the kitchen sink at any center unless they’re named joker. And I wouldn’t throw the kitchen sink at any duke player in this draft unless they’re named cooper.
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It's a response to this from you: "But we already have Kessler. Why throw the kitchen sink to draft a guy who might one day be better than a guy who’s already solid? " You were wondering why we'd throw the kitchen sink at someone at a position when we already have someone good there. This is why, in my opinion, with some editorializing on the side.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Don't be stupid
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Bro he’s got better activity stats, driving numbers, and basically equaled Tre here… add in the fact that he’s likely in a different class strength wise. Tres off the dribble stuff is his big advantage imo.
 
The Thriller said:
Yes. And read my response to you (which you obviously didn’t read)
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LOL, We're evidently on different wavelengths. Oh well.

BTW, I did read it, and I agree. If the Jazz draft Maluach or Knipple, I'm shaving my head, donning a burlap sack, and pouring ashes on my head.

I wouldn't mind a decent backup center who can stretch the floor and is serviceable on defense (e.g., a poor man's Miles Turner) but not as a high draft pick. Kessler is a quality center, we have other, more pressing needs.
 
Schrödinger's Gerbil said:
LOL, We're evidently on different wavelengths. Oh well.

BTW, I did read it, and I agree. If the Jazz draft Maluach or Knipple, I'm shaving my head, donning a burlap sack, and pouring ashes on my head.

I wouldn't mind a decent backup center who can stretch the floor and is serviceable on defense (e.g., a poor man's Miles Turner) but not as a high draft pick. Kessler is a quality center, we have other, more pressing needs.
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So you want to throw the kitchen sink at a backup center?

If he’s the BPA at 21? Sure whatever. But I don’t think the Jazz should throw “the kitchen sink” at any center in this year’s draft. The only player who warrants the kitchen sink is cooper Flagg.

That is the argument that you injected yourself into.
 
Schrödinger's Gerbil said:
LOL, We're evidently on different wavelengths. Oh well.

BTW, I did read it, and I agree. If the Jazz draft Maluach or Knipple, I'm shaving my head, donning a burlap sack, and pouring ashes on my head.

I wouldn't mind a decent backup center who can stretch the floor and is serviceable on defense (e.g., a poor man's Miles Turner) but not as a high draft pick. Kessler is a quality center, we have other, more pressing needs.
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Well, the team is not in a set mold right now. Walker has his strengths but also some weaknesses as well. If we get some team to pay the equivalent of 3 firsts in value for Kessler and avoid paying him 30+ million a year, I would consider that a positive move. And I do believe Maluach has the potential to be even better than Kessler overall.
 
Basketball Novice said:
Well, the team is not in a set mold right now. Walker has his strengths but also some weaknesses as well. If we get some team to pay the equivalent of 3 firsts in value for Kessler and avoid paying him 30+ million a year, I would consider that a positive move. And I do believe Maluach has the potential to be even better than Kessler overall.
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Which center that's available doesn't have strengths and weaknesses?

If some team is willing to give us the equivalent of 3 firsts for Kessler, that means 1) he's grossly undervalued here and 2) he's probably worth the 30+ million a year. But, I don't think he's worth 3 firsts, and I seriously doubt anyone's going to offer us the equivalent of 3 firsts.

Maluach may have more potential, but, unless every mock and analyst is wrong and the Jazz FO is executing a dandy of a smokescreen, we won't draft him at 5, and he won't be available at 21.

I'd like to see how Kessler does when we're actually trying to win. We have little information about how our young guys contribute to winning and what roles they can play in such a circumstance, as we've never asked them to win. We've put them in a position where we expect them to excel, but not too much, because we don't want to win. When we have won with them, the FO jettisons anyone who can help us win or sits their arses on the bench. I'm skeptical that this is the ideal way to judge who can contribute to winning, how, and in what role.

I wonder what would be the result if you took any of the key role players on Indiana or OKC and asked the same of them early in their careers what the result would be. My guess is pretty much what we've seen the last few years with our youngsters. They'd lose, and the fanbase would heap scathing criticism on each of them, hyper focusing on all their weaknesses, and pining for the bright shiny new things that their imaginations tell them would be so much better.
 
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