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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

LOL, We're evidently on different wavelengths. Oh well.

BTW, I did read it, and I agree. If the Jazz draft Maluach or Knipple, I'm shaving my head, donning a burlap sack, and pouring ashes on my head.

I wouldn't mind a decent backup center who can stretch the floor and is serviceable on defense (e.g., a poor man's Miles Turner) but not as a high draft pick. Kessler is a quality center, we have other, more pressing needs.

Well, the team is not in a set mold right now. Walker has his strengths but also some weaknesses as well. If we get some team to pay the equivalent of 3 firsts in value for Kessler and avoid paying him 30+ million a year, I would consider that a positive move. And I do believe Maluach has the potential to be even better than Kessler overall.
 
Well, the team is not in a set mold right now. Walker has his strengths but also some weaknesses as well. If we get some team to pay the equivalent of 3 firsts in value for Kessler and avoid paying him 30+ million a year, I would consider that a positive move. And I do believe Maluach has the potential to be even better than Kessler overall.
Which center that's available doesn't have strengths and weaknesses?

If some team is willing to give us the equivalent of 3 firsts for Kessler, that means 1) he's grossly undervalued here and 2) he's probably worth the 30+ million a year. But, I don't think he's worth 3 firsts, and I seriously doubt anyone's going to offer us the equivalent of 3 firsts.

Maluach may have more potential, but, unless every mock and analyst is wrong and the Jazz FO is executing a dandy of a smokescreen, we won't draft him at 5, and he won't be available at 21.

I'd like to see how Kessler does when we're actually trying to win. We have little information about how our young guys contribute to winning and what roles they can play in such a circumstance, as we've never asked them to win. We've put them in a position where we expect them to excel, but not too much, because we don't want to win. When we have won with them, the FO jettisons anyone who can help us win or sits their arses on the bench. I'm skeptical that this is the ideal way to judge who can contribute to winning, how, and in what role.

I wonder what would be the result if you took any of the key role players on Indiana or OKC and asked the same of them early in their careers what the result would be. My guess is pretty much what we've seen the last few years with our youngsters. They'd lose, and the fanbase would heap scathing criticism on each of them, hyper focusing on all their weaknesses, and pining for the bright shiny new things that their imaginations tell them would be so much better.
 
Would much much rather hope he’s there at 21 than do some crazy reach on Maluach.
He may end up jumping Khaman. They will end up in a similar range.
 
Nah, dont think he will jump ahead of Khaman. Just read the ESPN article that said Khaman is known as the best intangibles guy in the draft.
Vecenie was on saying some teams might have Beringer higher maybe… said he has better hands. I think both are gone by 13ish.
 
I think my ideal draft is to somehow come away with Kon or Ace and Coward.
 
Which center that's available doesn't have strengths and weaknesses?

If some team is willing to give us the equivalent of 3 firsts for Kessler, that means 1) he's grossly undervalued here and 2) he's probably worth the 30+ million a year. But, I don't think he's worth 3 firsts, and I seriously doubt anyone's going to offer us the equivalent of 3 firsts.

Maluach may have more potential, but, unless every mock and analyst is wrong and the Jazz FO is executing a dandy of a smokescreen, we won't draft him at 5, and he won't be available at 21.

I'd like to see how Kessler does when we're actually trying to win. We have little information about how our young guys contribute to winning and what roles they can play in such a circumstance, as we've never asked them to win. We've put them in a position where we expect them to excel, but not too much, because we don't want to win. When we have won with them, the FO jettisons anyone who can help us win or sits their arses on the bench. I'm skeptical that this is the ideal way to judge who can contribute to winning, how, and in what role.

I wonder what would be the result if you took any of the key role players on Indiana or OKC and asked the same of them early in their careers what the result would be. My guess is pretty much what we've seen the last few years with our youngsters. They'd lose, and the fanbase would heap scathing criticism on each of them, hyper focusing on all their weaknesses, and pining for the bright shiny new things that their imaginations tell them would be so much better.

Walker is a very good player, he is in trade talks because he is playing very well. It is also a fact that he is about to get paid alot of money. If Walker is deficient in some way that the Jazz think is important, now is precisely the best moment to sell Kessler. Often times, teams wait until the precisely wrong moment, when a player has proven to be a detriment or has demanded a trade, to try and trade a player. Of course, no one wants to trade a player when they are playing extremely well, selling high is tough to pull off.

In terms of ranking the assets on the team, Walker is probably the best or 2nd best player in terms of trade value. And this draft has quite the crop of talent going into the 20s. I think it's quite reasonable to explore trades for Walker. While he is a very good player, he is a defense first center who is very limited offensively. He is not indispensable.

I might be overly eager to trade Walker, chasing new possibilities over the sure fire, very good player in front of me. But, I also don't want to be overly attached to any singular player either. We need to consider all options to build the eventual Jazz championship roster.
 
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