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Court: California gay marriage ban is unconstitutional

and all those millions of dollars used by the LDS church have now gone to waste.

Next time maybe they can spend their money on preserving the right for others to live their lives as they choose.
....and realise just because they do this doesnt mean they are agreeing with them. When you allow others to live
in a different way than you(and respect thier choice), it only makes you look stronger.
 
How did keeping marriage laws between one man and one woman somehow magically become "unconstitutional" 200 years down the line?
Marriage laws are in the states hands and the people of California voted on it.

The silly attempt to convince a Mormon that homosexuality was moral through bible passages was amusing. They look to their prophets to explain what God believes to be moral (God is where morality stems from). Check out The Proclamation on the Family to understand their beliefs on marriage.

But even if homosexuality is moral, restrictions on state or federally sanctioned marriage ain't a restriction on homosexual activity so that point is moot.

I think the real question is NOT "Why do some people want to keep marriage between one man and one woman?" it is "Why do some homosexuals want the federal government involved in their relationships?"
 
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I don't know a lot of gay people personally (only three that I can think of off the top of my head), but none that I have ever come across have an agenda any further than being allowed to live their lives as they choose.

There probably are some that try to push their lifestyle on others (you see this in any segment of society), but I can't imagine it would be more than tiny fraction. Hardly worth stereotyping the whole group over.
 
Millsapa said:
How did keeping marriage laws between one man and one woman somehow magically become "unconstitutional" 200 years down the line?
Marriage laws are in the states hands and the people of California voted on it.

The silly attempt to convince a Mormon that homosexuality was moral through bible passages was amusing. They look to their prophets to explain what God believes to be moral (God is where morality stems from). Check out The Proclamation on the Family to understand their beliefs on marriage.

But even if homosexuality is moral, restrictions on state or federally sanctioned marriage ain't a restriction on homosexual activity so that point is moot.

I think the real question is NOT "Why do some people want to keep marriage between one man and one woman?" it is "Why do some homosexuals want the federal government involved in their relationships?" I think the answer to that is TAXES
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Every breath that you successfully exhale is an achievement.
 
Revolution 9 said:
and all those millions of dollars used by the LDS church have now gone to waste.

Next time maybe they can spend their money on preserving the right for others to live their lives as they choose.
....and realise just because they do this doesnt mean they are agreeing with them. When you allow others to live
in a different way than you(and respect thier choice), it only makes you look stronger.
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As much as you and I don't agree, I think you're right on here. It's pretty tough to be adamantly against something that my church teaches/supports, but it is what it is. I will have to answer the critics 20 years down the road just like I have to answer to the "Blacks and the priesthood" these days. At least I can say that I was on the right side of the argument. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Mormons -- PLEASE stay out of politics and stick to what you're awesome at: Giving, Helping, Donating.
 
What does a ban on gay marriage accomplish?

I'm asking this to people who think gay acts are immoral.
 
The supporters of prop 8 say they are trying ot protect marriage. Noble enough goal. Denying homosexuals the right to marry is not the way to do that. Try lowering the divorce rate and make marriage actually mean something again. Perhaps push for stopping Vegas marraiges on the strip and require a 1 time class or something. I am sure that would clear out a lot of the sham weddings. That would go much farther to protecting marriage then denying civil liberties to an entire group would.
 
Bronco70 said:
I don't know a lot of gay people personally (only three that I can think of off the top of my head), but none that I have ever come across have an agenda any further than being allowed to live their lives as they choose.

There probably are some that try to push their lifestyle on others (you see this in any segment of society), but I can't imagine it would be more than tiny fraction. Hardly worth stereotyping the whole group over.
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Well, I happen to know a lot of gay people personally. Bet that is a surprise...

Actually, I found out last year that a very good friend of mine was gay. Very cool dude. We still hang a couple of times a year. He knows better than to bring up his lifestyle to me. I don't want to hang with him much, but he's still a cool dude. I am still his friend, albeit on a limited basis, but he can always call me for anything.

I have actually been picked up on by quite a few gay dudes in my area. They go to church and seem fine, but it's interesting their subtle ways to pick up on other guys. And they get very pissed when I tell them that I am not gay and to back off.

I had a gf for a few years who seemed to know a lot of gay people (she was from California) Sometimes she wanted to hang with these guys and wanted me to come along. She thought I needed to be more undertanding. I don't know why she thought I hated them. I could hang out with them and talk with them. We even once stayed 2 nights at a gay dude's house in Vegas while we were visiting. The dude was a cool cat, talked nonstop but had lots of very interesting things to say. I actually had a fun time with him.
When he brought up his gay crap, I had to ask him to keep that to himself. He did, for the most part.

I had a friend in HS, who was a bit strange, had a learning disability, looked weird, was difficult at times. But we all befriended him. He even went on a mission. Later, he since he never could get a date with a girl, he was approached by a group of gays. He turned gay. I didn't know about it until after he took his own life. Sad story, and I felt horrible for his parents who had tried so hard for his whole life to help him.


So, what do I learn from my encounters with so many gay people?
1. They are miserable. All of them.
2. They have all seriously considered suicide.
3. They speak openly at times how they want the church to change and accept gays and let them marry in the temple.
4. They speak out harshly against the leaders of the church. They are careful to keep this to a rare occurrence, knowing that I won't stand for it, but in moments of weakness, they do
5. They want the whole country to be forced to accept gays. They want laws enacted to forced this. Oh, they will go on about how all they want is acceptance, but it always comes back to LAWS.
6. They are all for the gay lifestyle to be taught in schools.
7. Why do they want gay marriage? None of them actually want to get married. They want a free lifestyle, but they all stated to me that if gay marriage is enforced by law, then people will eventually accept their lifestyle, and #3 will be closer to being a reality.
One of them even stated very clearly that he hoped all mormon temples would eventually be closed down.

As for that girl who I was dating, when I once told her that I wanted to get serious with her, she went into a tirade about me, asking if I was gay. Since I have never been married and was past age 30, she was genuinely concerned that I might be gay. I assured her that I wasn't. It took a while for her to accept my response. Strange, since we had been dating for over a year at that point.
After all the times that I hung with her gay friends, she started to lay into me for my "intolerance." Telling me that she was determined to keep all her gay friends, having them all as guests of honor at our wedding, and allowing all of them to visit our home and spend time with our kids.
I put my foot down pretty firmly.
I'm not sure what her overall point was, but it was a huge red flag. There were many others, and I eventually dumped her for good. Haven't spoken to her for almost 2 years. I think I dodged a bullet by not marrying her.
 
Revolution 9 said:
and all those millions of dollars used by the LDS church have now gone to waste.

Next time maybe they can spend their money on preserving the right for others to live their lives as they choose.
....and realise just because they do this doesnt mean they are agreeing with them. When you allow others to live
in a different way than you(and respect thier choice), it only makes you look stronger.
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Oh, this isn't over. It was going to end up in the Supreme Court from day one.

All these lower court decisions are just for show. The SCOTUS will decide.
 
craig2112 said:
Well, I happen to know a lot of gay people personally. Bet that is a surprise...

Actually, I found out last year that a very good friend of mine was gay. Very cool dude. We still hang a couple of times a year. He knows better than to bring up his lifestyle to me. I don't want to hang with him much, but he's still a cool dude. I am still his friend, albeit on a limited basis, but he can always call me for anything.

I have actually been picked up on by quite a few gay dudes in my area. They go to church and seem fine, but it's interesting their subtle ways to pick up on other guys. And they get very pissed when I tell them that I am not gay and to back off.

I had a gf for a few years who seemed to know a lot of gay people (she was from California) Sometimes she wanted to hang with these guys and wanted me to come along. She thought I needed to be more undertanding. I don't know why she thought I hated them. I could hang out with them and talk with them. We even once stayed 2 nights at a gay dude's house in Vegas while we were visiting. The dude was a cool cat, talked nonstop but had lots of very interesting things to say. I actually had a fun time with him.
When he brought up his gay crap, I had to ask him to keep that to himself. He did, for the most part.

I had a friend in HS, who was a bit strange, had a learning disability, looked weird, was difficult at times. But we all befriended him. He even went on a mission. Later, he since he never could get a date with a girl, he was approached by a group of gays. He turned gay. I didn't know about it until after he took his own life. Sad story, and I felt horrible for his parents who had tried so hard for his whole life to help him.


So, what do I learn from my encounters with so many gay people?
1. They are miserable. All of them.
2. They have all seriously considered suicide.
3. They speak openly at times how they want the church to change and accept gays and let them marry in the temple.
4. They speak out harshly against the leaders of the church. They are careful to keep this to a rare occurrence, knowing that I won't stand for it, but in moments of weakness, they do
5. They want the whole country to be forced to accept gays. They want laws enacted to forced this. Oh, they will go on about how all they want is acceptance, but it always comes back to LAWS.
6. They are all for the gay lifestyle to be taught in schools.
7. Why do they want gay marriage? None of them actually want to get married. They want a free lifestyle, but they all stated to me that if gay marriage is enforced by law, then people will eventually accept their lifestyle, and #3 will be closer to being a reality.
One of them even stated very clearly that he hoped all mormon temples would eventually be closed down.

As for that girl who I was dating, when I once told her that I wanted to get serious with her, she went into a tirade about me, asking if I was gay. Since I have never been married and was past age 30, she was genuinely concerned that I might be gay. I assured her that I wasn't. It took a while for her to accept my response. Strange, since we had been dating for over a year at that point.
After all the times that I hung with her gay friends, she started to lay into me for my "intolerance." Telling me that she was determined to keep all her gay friends, having them all as guests of honor at our wedding, and allowing all of them to visit our home and spend time with our kids.
I put my foot down pretty firmly.
I'm not sure what her overall point was, but it was a huge red flag. There were many others, and I eventually dumped her for good. Haven't spoken to her for almost 2 years. I think I dodged a bullet by not marrying her.
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This you and your girl bro?

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You look really great man, but your gurl kind of has that Matt Light build.
 
Gojazz79 said:
The supporters of prop 8 say they are trying ot protect marriage. Noble enough goal. Denying homosexuals the right to marry is not the way to do that. Try lowering the divorce rate and make marriage actually mean something again. Perhaps push for stopping Vegas marraiges on the strip and require a 1 time class or something. I am sure that would clear out a lot of the sham weddings. That would go much farther to protecting marriage then denying civil liberties to an entire group would.
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Yeah people should stop screwing over kids through bad choices in marriage partners and divorce, but the "civil liberties" angle doesn't fly with me.
 
craig2112 said:
So, what do I learn from my encounters with so many gay people?
1. They are miserable. All of them.
2. They have all seriously considered suicide.
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While I doubt the truth of that, do you really wonder why? Did you read what you just wrote? The homosexual community - especially those that are from here - have to fight against bigotry and bias their entire lives just to exist. The gay community DOES have an agenda; 'let us live our lives, please'.
 
craig2112 said:
So, what do I learn from my encounters with so many gay people?
1. They are miserable. All of them.
2. They have all seriously considered suicide.
3. They speak openly at times how they want the church to change and accept gays and let them marry in the temple.
4. They speak out harshly against the leaders of the church. They are careful to keep this to a rare occurrence, knowing that I won't stand for it, but in moments of weakness, they do
5. They want the whole country to be forced to accept gays. They want laws enacted to forced this. Oh, they will go on about how all they want is acceptance, but it always comes back to LAWS.
6. They are all for the gay lifestyle to be taught in schools.
7. Why do they want gay marriage? None of them actually want to get married. They want a free lifestyle, but they all stated to me that if gay marriage is enforced by law, then people will eventually accept their lifestyle, and #3 will be closer to being a reality.
One of them even stated very clearly that he hoped all mormon temples would eventually be closed down.
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I fail to see how this list addresses your initial assertion that it's a fact homosexuality destroys nations OR the concerns/questions raised by AtheistPreacher, myself, and others.

How does homosexuality destroy nations? How will legalizing same-sex marriages destroy America?

I watched the movie Agenda this morning. It was tall on fear mongering and short on facts/data/rational arguments. I am a little alarmed that everyone who doesn't love George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan is a Communist. I've been praying all day to try to combat this terrible plague on the world.
 
GVC, he's not going to answer this. I've read this whole thread and you have brought this up over 5 times now and he just keeps ignoring it. His fight is, "It destroys nations because I said so."
 
Millsapa said:
Yeah people should stop screwing over kids through bad choices in marriage partners and divorce, but the "civil liberties" angle doesn't fly with me.
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Call it what ever you want to. They should not be denied things that society gives a heterosexual person.
 
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