Court: California gay marriage ban is unconstitutional
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GVC
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It is incredibly difficult to defeat the willfully ignorant.
I'm officially convinced that we've all been the victim of one of the better troll jobs on this forum. I suppose congrats is in order for Craig, because damn, you go girl.
Okay....I get that
Is that what the tax law is? or is it just your opinion
Uh, hardly. I know a lot of people are on my side. I don't feel persecuted at all.
I have been quite honest. I am not saying things just to be a troll. I do phrase things in such a way that tends to get on people's nevers, but I always do that. I throw a lot of inside jokes into things I say. Most of my friends really love that about me. People who aren't my friends hate me for it.
But yes, this is my outlook on life. But I would say that you should not waste your pity on me.
Late last night, a girl I know well asked me what I was up to. I told her I was having a ball. She asked what I was doing. I sent her a link to this thread. She loved it and said she was very proud of me. Take that for whatever you think it's worth.
Oh.
You know....I may have a few opinions about you, but I would not ever think for a second to call you ignorant when I have never met you or spoken to you in person or know anything about your life.
Or was that supposed to be an insult?
I get called ignorant all the time by people who get pissed because I will not conform my opinions to theirs. It's their way of saying "I give up and I hate you"
Not that this is what you necesarily think
Craig you keep talking about law. No one is talking about law but you. One of the requirements of a tax exempt status is that as an organization a tax exempt group does not get involved in politics. Any group with that status needs to decide if they would rather keep that status or get involved in politics. Whatever they decide is fine.
As for the "everyone against me" comment I was reffering to on here and that is why I said I hope that is not your outlook on life as well.
As for the "everyone against me" comment I was reffering to on here and that is why I said I hope that is not your outlook on life as well.
Probably but it is a good way to hone your discussion abilities.
Ok,.....I am listening (and hearing) you
If the Mormon Church has stepped over the line, then why do they still have their "tax-exempt" status?
The original point I responded to is why the Mormon Church should not be involve din politics. I gave a reason. I never said the Mormon Church had stepped over a line. I am just saying they should not be involved in politics if they want their tax exempt status. That is it. No accusations.
Edit: Some unions are obviously involved in politics and if they have a tax exempt status then it should be reviewed to see if they still qualify.
GVC
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Maybe they call you ignorant because you make statements like:
craig2112 said:
If you were willing to justify statements like this and respond to the actual questions people ask you, instead of deflecting them, posting meaningless youtube videos, incredibly obvious propaganda films and internet memes, and pretending to be a victim, people might not call you ignorant.
I guess I am not hearing you.
You say that the Mormon Church is going to lose their status if they don't stay out of politics. But they have NOT stayed out of politics and yet still retain their status.
What am I missing here?
PearlWatson
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Yup, heterosexuals can make their married life however they want it to be, but marriage exists as a government sanctioned institution for the purpose of raising the next generation of citizens. Governments have recognized that kids tend to be healthier, better adjusted, and not on welfare if they have a married mom and dad. The feds even give tax benefits to married couples when one of them stays home to raise the children.
kwb
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**** bro! I bet you got some sweet *** hand holding and cuddling action from that! **** yeah!
Selfishness is the main issue, and Homosexuality is only one of many branches of the core issue.
The Family is the fundamental unit of society, and that has been broken and eroded quite a bit in the last 100 years. Selfishness is the main reason there is so much discord in a family, it is the main reason children will not talk to parents or parents will not talk to children. It is the main reason for divorce. It is the main reason for cheating among spouses, or sexual relations before marriage. More and more children have been raised in an atmosphere farther and farther from that of a loving and nurturing home with a father and a mother present that love them and love each other.
Homosexuality has no place in a family, its nature runs a course opposite to that of which a family could be created or formed. If two men or two women were the last two people on the earth they could not procreate. They would be the last two people on earth, period. As to religion, one of the purposes of life is to procreate and be part of the “creation” of life. As to science it has been said that one of the first “instincts” is to pass your genes on. Homosexuality plays no useful role in either religious ideas, or scientifically the passing on of genes, but is mainly a selfish act of those involved. At best homosexual intercourse form a bond between those participating. Heterosexual intercourse can be a selfish act, it can form a bond between two people, and it can form an even more beautiful bond between those people through the formation of new life.
Some info and statistics about homosexuality:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5424a2.htm
https://www.narth.com/docs/methuse.html
I feel in a similar way about people that are heterosexual and cheat on their spouse, sleep around before marriage, etc. I feel they all have a negative impact on our society, and the excuse that they only affect themselves with their choices is a cop out. Every choice you make affects you and the people around you. They are the core foundation of who you are, how you interact with others, and form a base for future decisions. Even choices we make when we are alone have an impact. Each choice is a stone tossed into the lake of life, and the ripples from that splash will be there either large or small depending on the size of the stone (choice)… but they will definitely be there even if we try to be blind to it.
By the way there are more links, studies, statistics, bla bla bla out there if you care to look for it. I’m sure one of you will look into debunking the doctors, writers, researchers, and whoever did this work, while finding plenty of quotes, research, statistics, doctors and whatnot to “prove” some other argument.
I just threw this sample together to show there is information out there to backup what I believe and think even if I usually don’t care to throw it around. I apologize if a link or two do not work, I haven't had to time to test them all to make sure they go to the right places.
I'm sure you will be my beta testers and let me know every flaw in the post.
The Family is the fundamental unit of society, and that has been broken and eroded quite a bit in the last 100 years. Selfishness is the main reason there is so much discord in a family, it is the main reason children will not talk to parents or parents will not talk to children. It is the main reason for divorce. It is the main reason for cheating among spouses, or sexual relations before marriage. More and more children have been raised in an atmosphere farther and farther from that of a loving and nurturing home with a father and a mother present that love them and love each other.
Homosexuality has no place in a family, its nature runs a course opposite to that of which a family could be created or formed. If two men or two women were the last two people on the earth they could not procreate. They would be the last two people on earth, period. As to religion, one of the purposes of life is to procreate and be part of the “creation” of life. As to science it has been said that one of the first “instincts” is to pass your genes on. Homosexuality plays no useful role in either religious ideas, or scientifically the passing on of genes, but is mainly a selfish act of those involved. At best homosexual intercourse form a bond between those participating. Heterosexual intercourse can be a selfish act, it can form a bond between two people, and it can form an even more beautiful bond between those people through the formation of new life.
Some info and statistics about homosexuality:
https://www.mygenes.co.nz/download.htm
https://www.flyfishingdevon.co.uk/salmon/year2/hormones/tahir.htm
https://www.acpeds.org/Homosexual-Parenting-Is-It-Time-For-Change.html
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5424a2.htm
https://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/185_08_161006/sta10803_fm.html
https://www.narth.com/docs/methuse.html
I feel in a similar way about people that are heterosexual and cheat on their spouse, sleep around before marriage, etc. I feel they all have a negative impact on our society, and the excuse that they only affect themselves with their choices is a cop out. Every choice you make affects you and the people around you. They are the core foundation of who you are, how you interact with others, and form a base for future decisions. Even choices we make when we are alone have an impact. Each choice is a stone tossed into the lake of life, and the ripples from that splash will be there either large or small depending on the size of the stone (choice)… but they will definitely be there even if we try to be blind to it.
By the way there are more links, studies, statistics, bla bla bla out there if you care to look for it. I’m sure one of you will look into debunking the doctors, writers, researchers, and whoever did this work, while finding plenty of quotes, research, statistics, doctors and whatnot to “prove” some other argument.
I just threw this sample together to show there is information out there to backup what I believe and think even if I usually don’t care to throw it around. I apologize if a link or two do not work, I haven't had to time to test them all to make sure they go to the right places.
I'm sure you will be my beta testers and let me know every flaw in the post.
Then they like every other group that has done so should be reviewed to see if they still qualify. To use your use of the word law. If a particular action is against the law but that law is not enforced sholdl you break it? Personally I want my church to honor their commitments and obligations. If they feel that they would be better able to do by getting involved in politics. Then great. they should be a stand up organization and say we no longer qualify.
GVC
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1. I'm well aware of the definition of "ignorant". I took your suggestion, however, and looked it up. Feel free to post a definition of ignorant from whatever dictionary you use, and I'll explain how the word applies to you, based on your posts in this thread.
2. Just because you stand by something, doesn't make it factual. If breaking up the family does destroy nations (you've yet to provide any evidence of this), how does legalizing same-sex marriages break up the family? Can you provide any support for any of these assertions?
3. I'm far more shocked than pissed off at what you consider "fact". If it is "fact", it should be easy to justify.