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Not sure why you would want to mess around in RFA right now. You don't want to put in EBay bids that you don't want to win. Good/Fair offers will get matched. I'd rather just keep the full MLE and full trade exception and have the ability to take on 40M in bad expiring salaries and just get cap space. Do one or two before the season but hold the TPE into the year and see what team gets desperate to offload money.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not sure why you would want to mess around in RFA right now. You don't want to put in EBay bids that you don't want to win. Good/Fair offers will get matched. I'd rather just keep the full MLE and full trade exception and have the ability to take on 40M in bad expiring salaries and just get cap space. Do one or two before the season but hold the TPE into the year and see what team gets desperate to offload money.
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I would consider Grimes and I guess Isaiah Jackson is also an RFA. I'm sure we could get something at deadline salary dump wise, but I would take those guys over potential salary dumps. Grimes depends on the offer though.
 
tksavis said:
Anyone know how much cap space we’ll have next summer?
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This depends heavily on

1. What we trade Lauri for during the season
2. Whether we extend Kessler before next offseason or wait until next offseason.

Those two factors cause the projected cap space to change by more than $70m. If we keep Lauri and extend Kessler at like 5/175, we will have not much space. If we trade Lauri for expirings and picks and do not extend Kessler, we'll have the most space of any team in the league.
 
tksavis said:
Anyone know how much cap space we’ll have next summer?
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Depends on what they want to do with Walker but it will be basically max or ability to get to max very easily.

There aren't going to be FAs you would want to max out though. Partly a guess based on which guys get extended. I would bet its more a thing where we would take someone's slightly overpaid good player or take on more bad salary, rather than land a big FA. Austin Reaves maybe... but do you want AR at 35-40M a year? Trae Young might be another candidate if he does not extend.
 
It's pretty crazy how easily things are taken out of context/misquoted. We had the "big game hunting" quote which was 100% misquoted by the local media and it took a life on it's own. Now the second highest post on reddit is a direct misquote of when Austin Ainge said "won't happen this year".

Do people feel enriched by spreading fake news? Clicks over everything I guess.
 
KqWIN said:
I would consider Grimes and I guess Isaiah Jackson is also an RFA. I'm sure we could get something at deadline salary dump wise, but I would take those guys over potential salary dumps. Grimes depends on the offer though.
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Grimes gets us just a smidge too close to competence and I think it will take 4/100M to make them pause on a match. To make the offer we give up a little flexibility on the amount we can take in salary dumps. If they want to work a sign and trade with the exception maybe I guess but I don't want to give up much to get it done. Also a chance he takes the QO and we can take a stab at him when he is unrestricted.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
This depends heavily on

1. What we trade Lauri for during the season
2. Whether we extend Kessler before next offseason or wait until next offseason.

Those two factors cause the projected cap space to change by more than $70m. If we keep Lauri and extend Kessler at like 5/175, we will have not much space. If we trade Lauri for expirings and picks and do not extend Kessler, we'll have the most space of any team in the league.
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Even if Kessler were to get $30 million, we would only have around $130 million on the books, including Markkanen and a couple of cap holds. This is including Svi and Springer so we could get more if we want to. The cap is probably going to land somewhere between $166 and $170 million, so we will definitely can and will have cap space if that is what we are looking for.
 
KqWIN said:
It's pretty crazy how easily things are taken out of context/misquoted. We had the "big game hunting" quote which was 100% misquoted by the local media and it took a life on it's own. Now the second highest post on reddit is a direct misquote of when Austin Ainge said "won't happen this year".

Do people feel enriched by spreading fake news? Clicks over everything I guess.
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I just hated how that question was asked and how there was no follow up or clarification. Big game hunting was hilarious and @Elizah Huge and I called it out on the pod when it happened. It had like 2-3 qualifiers that no one bothers to mention. It was reinforced by others in the local media too... weird.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Grimes gets us just a smidge too close to competence and I think it will take 4/100M to make them pause on a match. To make the offer we give up a little flexibility on the amount we can take in salary dumps. If they want to work a sign and trade with the exception maybe I guess but I don't want to give up much to get it done. Also a chance he takes the QO and we can take a stab at him when he is unrestricted.
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I guess I don't really have a clue on what's being offered to Grimes right now and what would make them pause on a match. Like is he closer to NAW in contract value? Santi Aldama? I'm not trying to make a break the bank, long term deal type of offer. I was just thinking about giving him a Paul Reed style offer if he's being low balled by PHI. Some large amount in the first year, then some portion of the rest of the contract is non-guaranteed based on making the playoffs. Like maybe 3/$75 with the third year only guaranteed if we make the playoffs next year. I don't know how that compares to what he has on the table for PHI.
 
rippimpc said:
World is our oyster. Next years starting 5 will have Walt, Ace, Lauri, Kessler and whomever we pick. Nice thing is you can swap Ace and Lauri around positionally and draft any of Dybantsa, Peterson, or Boozer.
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Walt over Collier? I’d rather start the latter as he knows how to run an offense and defend. Let Clayton be the instant offense guy off the bench and develop his pg skills
 
KqWIN said:
I guess I don't really have a clue on what's being offered to Grimes right now and what would make them pause on a match. Like is he closer to NAW in contract value? Santi Aldama? I'm not trying to make a break the bank, long term deal type of offer. I was just thinking about giving him a Paul Reed style offer if he's being low balled by PHI. Some large amount in the first year, then some portion of the rest of the contract is non-guaranteed based on making the playoffs. Like maybe 3/$75 with the third year only guaranteed if we make the playoffs next year. I don't know how that compares to what he has on the table for PHI.
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I think there was only the report that Grimes wants like 25-30M a year. So you are there with 3/75. My guess is Sixers are in the 4/75 range. I guess I struggle to see that as a win if you got him at 3/75M or if they matched that it doesn't really help that. Like just with John Collins... is Grimes on a 4/90-100M a better asset than just renting out the cap space this year and signing someone next year or renting out the space again? They may get him on the scam PJ Washington type contract but if we offer that then its just matched (if accepted).

I'd have a conversation there but not likely to make it happen. I'd rather trade for an upcoming RFA at the deadline and take on some salary... then hope to keep them in RFA. Mathurin would be a candidate... Ivey too... but would wait until the deadline if possible.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think there was only the report that Grimes wants like 25-30M a year. So you are there with 3/75. My guess is Sixers are in the 4/75 range. I guess I struggle to see that as a win if you got him at 3/75M or if they matched that it doesn't really help that. Like just with John Collins... is Grimes on a 4/90-100M a better asset than just renting out the cap space this year and signing someone next year or renting out the space again? They may get him on the scam PJ Washington type contract but if we offer that then its just matched (if accepted).

I'd have a conversation there but not likely to make it happen. I'd rather trade for an upcoming RFA at the deadline and take on some salary... then hope to keep them in RFA. Mathurin would be a candidate... Ivey too... but would wait until the deadline if possible.
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I was under the impression that he was closer to NAW, but if the Sixers are willing to go 4/$75 I'd just leave it alone. I wouldn't be interested in any kind of true long term deal for Grimes. Only a 3/$75 that's really a 2/$50.
 
Elizah Huge said:
This trade is so much better than the Sexton one I almost can’t believe the same front office made both deals.
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Yeah it did seem like Collins had a better market than Sexton. Even going back to last trade deadline. Market has turned so hard on small guards.
 
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