From here on out are you cheering for us to win or lose?

[SoberasHotRod]

I am skeptical that the league concern matches what is happening in podcast/twitter land, but who knows for sure. I don't doubt that OKC is complaining, they are min maxers. But the idea of the league being so focused on the Jazz when they are going to exceed their over/under by 10 wins feels far fetched for a multitude of reasons.

I mostly agree and if you look at my posts from last year I argued with a lot of people along the same lines. I think the league mostly cares about maximizing profit, but I do think the league cares about their reputation and as the noise gets louder I can see them taking more drastic measures than they did last year.

 

[KqWIN]

I mostly agree and if you look at my posts from last year I argued with a lot of people along the same lines. I think the league mostly cares about maximizing profit, but I do think the league cares about their reputation and as the noise gets louder I can see them taking more drastic measures than they did last year.

I'm biased, of course, but placating Presti after doing his own egregious tanking would also be a bad look.

 

[Tanktastic]

When you have PF like Jayden Quaintance or even yaxel landenburger whatever his name sitting in the 8-12 range you gotta acknowledge the strength of this particular draft class.

No, you don't have to acknowledge that. There isn't a Wemby in this draft class. This draft class is not distinguishable from any other year. In his draft year still around the end of the year Isaiah Collier was a projected top3-pick. And surely showed the strength of that class back then as well.

You do have to come up with something. Come up with logic as to why the decision to tank is the same as it was last summer.

The Jazz are now tanking their 4th straight season. The team, the owner, the FO, even the fans to a degree have shown what they want and what the strategy is. Anyone saying "now it changes!" has to provide evidence, not me.

- The pick protections

Yeah, sure. If you believe the #7 pick is more valuable than trying to build towards something already this season. I don't.

- It’s harder to tank because young players keep getting better

Then the Jazz get rid of those players, as they have proven many times already if someone threatens the tanking.

- There is a better opportunity to improve team

Why? How? Why would it better then than now? The Jazz have bled assets and continue to do so, salary flexibility is going in the wrong direction. I think the opportunities are getting fewer and worse the longer this goes on.

On top of that, it’s just obvious that patience is running out. That isn’t necessarily a good reason to stop the tank, but it’s something that’s true unless you live under a rock.

Sure. If the owner, FO, you, whoever, admits that tanking didn't work out and I'm out, then I'm absolutely fine with that. Cut your losses etc. Took you long enough to find out, but hopefully that will carry with you for some time.

Key and Lauri don’t need to “learn to win”, they will win more when they improve and/or their teammates improve.

Nope.

 

[KqWIN]

No, you don't have to acknowledge that. There isn't a Wemby in this draft class. This draft class is not distinguishable from any other year. In his draft year still around the end of the year Isaiah Collier was a projected top3-pick. And surely showed the strength of that class back then as well.


The Jazz are now tanking their 4th straight season. The team, the owner, the FO, even the fans to a degree have shown what they want and what the strategy is. Anyone saying "now it changes!" has to provide evidence, not me.


Yeah, sure. If you believe the #7 pick is more valuable than trying to build towards something already this season. I don't.


Then the Jazz get rid of those players, as they have proven many times already if someone threatens the tanking.


Why? How? Why would it better then than now? The Jazz have bled assets and continue to do so, salary flexibility is going in the wrong direction. I think the opportunities are getting fewer and worse the longer this goes on.


Sure. If the owner, FO, you, whoever, admits that tanking didn't work out and I'm out, then I'm absolutely fine with that. Cut your losses etc. Took you long enough to find out, but hopefully that will carry with you for some time.


Nope.

I have told you why it’s a different to tank next year than this year. It’s outlined in the most simple way possible. This includes your own acknowledgment that Key affects the decision to tank. Key is not who we thought he is. That is enough “evidence” to make the decision to tank or not change. Trading Keyonte or Lauri to tank is not remotely similar to trading Sexton and Collins.

Now you make an argument that says the decision to tank is no different than it was before. I’ll wait.

If you don’t want to actually discuss the topic and instead want to whine and complain while providing no alternatives, I’m just done with the conversation. I like to talk basketball, not provide comfort for your feelings.