For the millionth time, there is no "fine" or "not fine". If we are actually safely 6th, well it would be better if we were 5th. So on, so forth. When it's lotto night we're going to wish we were a spot higher. We don't lose anything besides temporary enjoyment from doing the bare minimum. It's not my place to tell people what they want, but I prefer a few more percentage points at top 4 in comparison to a few more wins.
Jackpotting Around 52 - Uproar Theory, Tankxiety, Keyonte, and Trade Talk
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FOr the millionth and one time, we know what the tank at all cost people value.
Some people just live in reality where player development matters and isn't just about putting players on the court to get blown out
Yup, confidence is one of the most important things to have in the NBA for your development. The game winners Keyonte has hit this season and his overall clutch play have accelerated his growth in a way that wouldn't be possible with just flat out season long tanking.
This didn't matter at all for the other tanking teams. I don't want to argue about this any further because it really is a "because I say so" argument. Anyone can attribute the development to whatever they want and there's no real substance to the arg other than how we feel. You think confidence comes from winning, I say confidence also comes from getting minutes and the opportunity to play through mistakes. But even if we're taking the premise that it's winning that's important, you're talking about the difference between a crappy team and a slightly less crappy team. How different can the development environment really be between two teams where one has a few more wins than another?
It's not like all those close game moments go away if you do some of the tanking stuff. Last night was a great example of that. This is also true for the "bad development" games. Those don't go away if we never tank. We've gotten blown out several times with Lauri playing. While it's true that we will have less close games/wins and more blowouts, it's not a substantial difference if we're talking about a difference of a few wins.
IMO, it's small change on something that already has small consequences to begin with. Those slight changes can make a big difference lotto position wise. I have a hard time seeing that to be true about development even if you run with this theory (which I find untrue to begin with).
Yes like I said for the millionth and second time I get some people don't believe anything matters with regards to development outside of playing basketball. The Jazz don't feel that way and I agree with them.
The tank at all cost people don't agree.
The Simons/Nurk trade looks like it could have wheels (unless Jake Fischer is just channeling your notion of Simons-for-random-big-and-duck-tax), but I don’t think Miami is a viable dumping spot for Simons because they can’t or won’t send back anything (their 2nd this year is a Nets pick that won’t convey).
I’m going to continue to ponder how to dial this trade in, but for the sake of simplicity still wonder if we could just get two 2nds this year for evening out their roster and saving them a ******** of cash.
I’m going to continue to ponder how to dial this trade in, but for the sake of simplicity still wonder if we could just get two 2nds this year for evening out their roster and saving them a ******** of cash.
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I think you just do it for cash considerations from Miami if you can't steal a second. So get a second from Boston and cash considerations plus some savings because simons makes more than Rozier.
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Remember, our greates off-season acquisition is player development. Literally every championship team attributes their entire success to developing mid-tier players into superstars. I mean, picking a generational player in say, the top 6, never gets you there. It is all about development. Nothing else. It isn't about bringing in big-name free agents, just development. You heard it from every winner in the past 50 years. They never said "Magic Johnson carried us to this title by playing literally every position on the court", they say "Byron Scott was the deciding factor for us" because he developed.
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Yes player development plays a role, you need those solid role players AROUND the stars that really make the difference. Yes yes, very very rarely you get the diamond in the rough that literally can carry a championship team (Curry, Giannis, Jokic, etc.). But the VAST majority of the time these teams have top 3 picks and generational players at the helm who literally can put a team on their back and will themselves to a championship, and the VAST majority of the time they either drafted said player or brought them in via free agency or trade.
Now, being the mecca of nightlife and player fun zones, you know all of the top players want to play in Utah. Oh wait, they just handed me this.......actually NO ONE wants to play in Utah. Ok Rudy did. Uh. Stockton and Malone did, but of course we drafted them. So yeah, we are not a premier destination. So that route is ruled out, or at least far less likely to get us the players we need.
So we are left with what? Well if you do that math, and you have 2 things you can do and 1 of them is shown to be highly ineffective, then that leaves.......carry the 3......divide by i.........negative square root. Uh, ONE, exactly ONE route to land that player, and that is....***drumroll***...get lucky in the draft! So do we win more to make sure casual fans spend their money at the stadium watching a tight game between us and the Wizards! Ooooohhhh, such drama!! Or do we make sure we do not lose out on those lottery tickets to give ourselves the best chance at those players that can turn our fortune around?
I vote for the latter.