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Jazz's 3-Point Shooting Philosophy.

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thanks for posting.

The jazz have done a miserable job getting their guards shots from where they like to shoot.

Corbin will bend over backward -- repeatedly -- to get shots for Jefferson on the left low block, but NO to the other stuff.
 
.....well, I think it was obvious to even the most casual observer, that when the Jazz had Stockton and Malone and then Deron and Boozer on the pick and roll, Sloan went with the higher percentage shot and limited the 3 point shooter to a bare minimum. I remember Bobby Knight saying that the 3 point shot is not the best shot for his team to take, but since he had 2 of the 3 best three point shooters in college, he would use them wisely! The Jazz have never really had even good outside shooters let alone 3 point shooters. We pounded the ball inside and took the higher percentage shots most of the time. If we can get good 3 point shooters then I'm all for using that method of scoring.....but good ones don't grow on trees.
 
Hornacek, Okur, Korver don't qualify as good outside shooters let alone 3 point shooters? Why?
 
My guess is in Jazz system even combo of R. Miller, R. Allen and Terry would be sub 0.35 3PT shooters.
 
Holy ****, Cy .. that is a TERRIBLE new avatar. I know you'll love hearing that .. so good job.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
But somehow we got Devin Harris to shoot his career high 36%.
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Jazz had nothing to do with that. He shot when he was open, and worked on his shot all summer/lock out. You wouldn't claim that Corbin had anything to do with that, right? Also, at this moment you are about to hit 10,000 posts! That is impressive!?!?
 
JJAS said:
Jazz had nothing to do with that. He shot when he was open, and worked on his shot all summer/lock out. You wouldn't claim that Corbin had anything to do with that, right? Also, at this moment you are about to hit 10,000 posts! That is impressive!?!?
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Isn't the argument that the Jazz system hurts the 3 point shot? I agree that the Jazz need to take a more intuitive approach to setting the shot up, but this year our offense was able to get many wide open 3pt shots for our "shooters", our shooters just weren't good enough.

Happy 10,000th post to myself.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Isn't the argument that the Jazz system hurts the 3 point shot? I agree that the Jazz need to take a more intuitive approach to setting the shot up, but this year our offense was able to get many wide open 3pt shots for our "shooters", our shooters just weren't good enough.

Happy 10,000th post to myself.
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Congrats on 5 digits Cy.

Terrible avatar .. and you're a troll for having it.
 
I think we arent a good three point shooting team because Sloan and Corbin tell the players how bad it is so they are always nervous when they take it.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Isn't the argument that the Jazz system hurts the 3 point shot? I agree that the Jazz need to take a more intuitive approach to setting the shot up, but this year our offense was able to get many wide open 3pt shots for our "shooters", our shooters just weren't good enough.

Happy 10,000th post to myself.
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The article does a good job of showing how we didn't do a good job of doing this and basically how we never have. I agree that there were many open shots that people just missed, but there is no question that the three-point shot is not integrated well into our offense.

-383 of 524 threes were spot ups off double teams or dribble penetration

-274 of those 383 spot up threes were taken with 5 or less seconds left on the shot clock.

-In 40 games, the Jazz took 69 threes off set plays, with 11 of those in late game situations

-158 of 524 (30%) threes were desperation threes.

-125 of 524 threes were corner threes

And congratulations on your 10,000th post, and here's wishing you success and much enjoyment on your next 10,000! GQ AK47 will be your guide.
 
Yep; they seem to look for inside position 'til the last second before putting up a 3, and the stats are bearing that out...
And yes, when they suddenly need to do something they know coach doen't want them doing, like chucking, they ain't gonna feel good about it. They feel guilty 'cause they couldn't get done what Coach wanted done...
 
Until the Jazz have a head coach that hasn't played and coached under Sloan nothing will change. We'll need some fresh blood from outside the Jazz family.

The exception may be Horny. He has to like shooters and would try to integrate them into the offense. Otherwise we are screwed for the time being.
 
JJAS said:
The article does a good job of showing how we didn't do a good job of doing this and basically how we never have. I agree that there were many open shots that people just missed, but there is no question that the three-point shot is not integrated well into our offense.

-383 of 524 threes were spot ups off double teams or dribble penetration

-274 of those 383 spot up threes were taken with 5 or less seconds left on the shot clock.

-In 40 games, the Jazz took 69 threes off set plays, with 11 of those in late game situations

-158 of 524 (30%) threes were desperation threes.

-125 of 524 threes were corner threes

And congratulations on your 10,000th post, and here's wishing you success and much enjoyment on your next 10,000! GQ AK47 will be your guide.
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Yep. The Jazz use the 3 as a last option, so most teams know they can pack the paint and wait to rotate, and then run hard at shooters (since there won't be time for the Jazz to swing the ball to other shooters). Compare that strategy to the one employed by the Spurs, where opposing defenses have to stay close to everyone because the Spurs will utilize every spot on the court at any time. With the size and speed of today's NBA players, time and space to get shots off is hard to come by, especially as you get closer to the basket. You have to stretch the defense a little bit to get good shots.
 
In year's past, the primary way Utah got open looks from three was off high and side screen-roll. Obviously the Jazz are a far less effective screen-roll team with Devin Harris/Millsap/Jefferson than with Deron&Boozer. This past season, when Utah ran pick&roll, you've had a streaky Hayward, Burks, Howard, CJ, or Bell spotting up on the wing. Instead of Memo or Hornacek rolling up on the weakside, you've got either Big Al or Millsap rolling up to the elbow for a 16-foot jumper.

Just look at the personel on the current roster, and there should be no suprise why Utah's 3pt shooting struggled so much.
 
BluesRocker said:
I think we arent a good three point shooting team because Sloan and Corbin tell the players how bad it is so they are always nervous when they take it.
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I think there is some truth to this. I remember hearing players complain about taking shots that Corbin didn't like and getting benched immediately.

I don't necessarily have a problem with Corbin do that as long as he stays consistent. Was Jefferson ever benched for trying to score while being triple teamed? The only reason Jefferson ever sat on the bench was due to foul trouble or fatigue. Never because he didn't play defense or continued to force ill advised shots while being double or triple teamed or outside of his shooting range.

All I ask for is consistency.
 
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