Hmmmmm ... just why do you think that is???
Legalize Cannabis
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Hmmmmm ... just why do you think that is???
PearlWatson
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They broke a known law so I have a hard time caring.
I can't see anyone but potheads and friends to potheads caring so much about it.
I find the exaggerations and name calling unpersuasive and counter to a pointless cause.
SaltyDawg
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So then you think if it gets legalized, then anyone who smokes pot should/would have to forfeit their driving privilege?
I think it's nonsense if you are saying someone who tests positive from a joint they smoked 3 weeks ago should still get a DUI just for testing positive. Especially when lots of tests have shown that smoking a joint won't even necessarily make your driving anymore dangerous at all, let alone 3 weeks later.
Name calling?
I find your support of limited government very hollow when you don't care that a government incarcerates people for personal choices they make. What's your problem with people using marijuana and does it extend to fatty foods, alcohol, pain medicine?
Perl, my appeal on this issue is emotional because for me putting humans who posses inalienable rights in prison (cage) because they make personal choices about what they ingest is tragic. Period. You want data, argue with everyone else about how harmful or beneficial legalization is. I don't care if society suffers when there are more pot heads. My existence isn't for the benefit of the state, it is for my benefit and personal enjoyment.
GVC
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And? The fact is the vast majority of cannabis users don't use other illicit drugs. There is no scientific support for the contention that cannabis and/or its constituent parts compel or otherwise propel its users to use other drugs.
Have most addicts of hard drugs tried cannabis? Of course, but it's not the cannabis that made them addicts. Addicts will find their fix.
https://grannystormcrowslist.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/5841088-gateway-theory
Maybe it's the majority but I don't believe it's the "vast" majority which don't use heavy drugs, at least it's this way in Turkey and eastern europe.
I just believe it's a great start to increase the possibility to be an addict or to use the strong materials. I used to use cannabis in my highschool years and after a year or so it was almost noneffective and I was on the edge to start to using the heavy ***** with some pills etc. But yeah, that's just me, maybe other people have anti-addict genes or somethings, I dunno.
I just believe it's a great start to increase the possibility to be an addict or to use the strong materials. I used to use cannabis in my highschool years and after a year or so it was almost noneffective and I was on the edge to start to using the heavy ***** with some pills etc. But yeah, that's just me, maybe other people have anti-addict genes or somethings, I dunno.
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SaltyDawg
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Even then, so what?
If someone wants to smoke crack in their basement, why shouldn't they be allowed to?
There should not be any laws that protect people from themselves. Protect people form other people, sure. Protect kids, fine. But if some consenting adult decides he wants to be a crack head, why should the law stop him?
If he's not hurting anyone but himself, then I'm totally fine with that.
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Colorado gets to vote on it this year. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
My guess now is that it will fail by a vote of about 55 to 45%. If it can get 45% or more IMO it's just a matter of 4-6 years or so before it passes. In 2006 it failed by a 60/40% vote. If it can't get much gain past that then I wonder if it ever will pass, though the poll numbers suggest that it is only a matter of time before it does so.
Not surprisingly I plan to vote for it.
My guess now is that it will fail by a vote of about 55 to 45%. If it can get 45% or more IMO it's just a matter of 4-6 years or so before it passes. In 2006 it failed by a 60/40% vote. If it can't get much gain past that then I wonder if it ever will pass, though the poll numbers suggest that it is only a matter of time before it does so.
Not surprisingly I plan to vote for it.
SaltyDawg
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What are you guys voting on out there? I thought medical marijuana was already legal in Colorado? Is this just for general legalization with no medical requirements or something?
Well sure it starts with mild drugs. Not many people have the desire to go full blown on the most intoxicating drug they can find. Much like most kids tend to want to ride a merry go round or a ferris wheel before they hop on a roller coaster that takes you 400 feet up and drops you down at 80 MPH. Or how like most mountain climbers start out with 14K feet mountains before they go climb Everest or K2. That being said, like how most mountain climbers don't ever get to climb 20K feet mountains most pot users don't go on to harder drugs. If you believe US statistical analysis (and who could blame you if you didn't) there are roughly 17 million pot smokers in this country. There are roughly 3-4 million or so monthly cocaine/heroin/meth users in this country. So all those drugs combined equate to about 23% of pot smokers. Not much of a gateway IMO.
General legalization (for the most part). Here are the details on the never can steer you wrong wikipedia link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Amendment_64_(2012)
Ballot Summary
Shall there be an amendment to the Colorado constitution concerning marijuana, and, in connection therewith, providing for the regulation of marijuana; permitting a person twenty-one years of age or older to consume or possess limited amounts of marijuana; providing for the licensing of cultivation facilities, product manufacturing facilities, testing facilities, and retail stores; permitting local governments to regulate or prohibit such facilities; requiring the general assembly to enact an excise tax to be levied upon wholesale sales of marijuana; requiring that the first $40 million in revenue raised annually by such tax be credited to the public school capital construction assistance fund; and requiring the general assembly to enact legislation governing the cultivation, processing, and sale of industrial hemp?
Won't it ease to access to it, so increase the possibility of the more people being an addict, especially the younger ones? My father went into a shock when he found out I was using the thing and was worried as hell for me for years. Now I'm in college and has seen countless addicts, all of them started with the can, I understand my old mans state of mind. I wouldn't want my child to be in a state where one can easily access a drug which carries a possibility to cause using more strong things or make one an addict to a material. So yes, I believe it can hurt people other than the users.
But I agree on the subject which is about that there is a huge imperfect laws and regulations etc problem on all this drug/cannabis matter.
SaltyDawg
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Wow, that's awesome. I hope there are some major get out and vote campaigns going on for it.
SaltyDawg
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I don't think it should be legal for kids, that's not what I'm saying. I think it should be legal for adults though.
You can't ban it for adults just because you don't want kids to have it. It's up to the parents to keep it away from the kids. Just like alcohol, tobacco, firearms, cars, rat poison, and countless other things that aren't safe for kids.
I'm not talking about the kids either. 18 is also way immature age for instance. But the problem is, it's already a world that the drugs are everywhere. Even an ordinary high school kid can access cannabis easily and even to more. I can't imagine it if it was legal. Here in Turkey you can't buy cigarettes if you aren't an adult but it's very high of percentage of smoking among the U-18 kids. Plus, I don't think it's just like alcohol, tobacco etc, it's different.
And as I said earlier I honestly believe that cannabis is dangerous to getting the started things. I respect your opinion but that's mine honest opinion.
And as I said earlier I honestly believe that cannabis is dangerous to getting the started things. I respect your opinion but that's mine honest opinion.
It's not like alcohol? What's different about alcohol that makes it more justified to be legal?
SaltyDawg
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How is it any different from alcohol and tobacco? Why should those be legal and cannabis be illegal?
I couldn't disagree more that something should be totally illegal just to keep it away from kids. Make it illegal for kids to use it, fine. But don't make it illegal for consenting adults just because you don't want kids to have it. Just make it a really strict penalty for any adult that gives it to kids.