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SiroMar said:
Why? We're hostage to a system that works against us. A media that has worked tirelessly to obscure the actual issues and divide the populace over nonsensical "socialism v capitalism" garbage. The politicians and their backers have hijacked the system to make sure nobody who's interested in actual change can get elected. And they've done all of this while convincing everyone that dissent is tantamount to treason, while they continue to erode our liberties, destroy our institutions, and rob us of what we built with our sweat and blood.

No. I won't be voting.
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Washing your hands of it is not the answer. Start pushing for like minded people to take control of the politics in your school, city, county...
 
Hantlers said:
Since you clearly have a problem with everything here and don't seem to be willing to make an effort to fix it...maybe you should move to somewhere else.
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Fix it by voting for the ones who are keeping it broken? The only power I have is my ability to speak out against it, which I obviously do. I donate a respectable chunk of my income to charity every year (I try to at least keep up with the Mormons). If there was a candidate I actually felt ethically comfortable supporting, I would. I'm not sure what it is you think you're doing that keeps you feeling all patriotic and important.
 
Stoked said:
Washing your hands of it is not the answer. Start pushing for like minded people to take control of the politics in your school, city, county...
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Oh but I do. How many people on this forum argue more than me? That's how I am all the time. Online and off. :p

For example, I was one of the founders of the American Atheists chapter in Utah. I am plenty active.
 
I just checked the RCP average and Obama still has a 48.0-41.8 lead over Romney in Michigan.

One Brow said:
I agree with you. Bush was awful, Obama a nightmare, and Romney will probably be something between a disaster and apocalyptic, especially if he has Republican majorities in both houses.
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Don't be so dour. You can at least hold out hope that Republicans will quit trying to stifle economic advancement after they no longer have a need to blame bad headlines on Obama. Republicans will be the biggest FDR proponents when in control, they'll just spin it a different way (like the neo-Keynesian Senator Hatch is with HAFB). You know they won't hold up a highway bill like they are under Obama's watch.

They'll also fix the social security issue on one hand while enriching the top on the other. Then the populism will bring back democrats and we'll swing the bat at that end of the problem. A new dawn is only 8 years away...
 
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KOC BEGONE said:
looks like SCOTUS is 5 to 4 conservative thus they are going to push conservative ideals through the court
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As opposed to 5-4 liberals who will pus liberal ideas thru court. So how easy that was?
 
I would say that our economy is in the tank because look at how much money is flowing to corrupt our politicians instead of investing in America by getting those who are unemployed back to work.
 
Stoked said:
As opposed to 5-4 liberals who will pus liberal ideas thru court. So how easy that was?
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I was replying to the idea that SCOTUS passed this therefore it is unbiased. By saying right now the supreme court is 5 to 4 conservative. I won't argue that is could swing back to the liberals but this was passed under a conservative majority. Therefore it is conservative once again defenders of the constitution by mouth only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2h8ujX6T0A

If you believe corporations are people than I argue who are you serving?
 
KOC BEGONE said:
I was replying to the idea that SCOTUS passed this therefore it is unbiased. By saying right now the supreme court is 5 to 4 conservative. I won't argue that is could swing back to the liberals but this was passed under a conservative majority. Therefore it is conservative once again defenders of the constitution by mouth only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2h8ujX6T0A

If you believe corporations are people than I argue who are you serving?
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Do you read anything I post? Do you really?
 
Stoked said:
As opposed to 5-4 liberals who will pus liberal ideas thru court. So how easy that was?
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I was replying to the idea that SCOTUS passed this therefore it is unbiased. By saying right now the supreme court is 5 to 4 conservative. I won't argue that is could swing back to the liberals but this was passed under a conservative majority. Therefore it is conservative once again defenders of the constitution by mouth only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2h8ujX6T0A

If you believe corporations are people than I argue who are you serving?
 
Agreed but we are not in that situation right now. So you can argue that point if and when. AS for this decision it is a conservative push on our elections and civil liberties just like the patriot act. The right acts like they hold the constitution as if it is the bible yet they trample your rights while telling you they defend them.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
Agreed but we are not in that situation right now. So you can argue that point if and when. AS for this decision it is a conservative push on our elections and civil liberties just like the patriot act. The right acts like they hold the constitution as if it is the bible yet they trample your rights while telling you they defend them.
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Last I checked the Senate was democrat controled and if they wanted to put a stop to some of these bills or bill extensions they could. Same with a Democrat President with veto power. They are all to blame.
 
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