What happened to Steve Francis?
Tyreke Evans
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What happened to Steve Francis?
Yes, I would trade Jefferson and a Jazz pick for Evans and the 5th pick. The trade is for the 5th pick, not for Evans.
I would rather have Noah and so would the Kings.
margodydek
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I couldn't tell you how long he lasted in the league, but I'd say he had a good 7-8 years. But what if I think Tyreke is better than Francis?
I also vaguely recall injuries slowed him down.
I can tell you what happened. He was out of the league at age 30. He was also a rookie of the year. He also had a bad attitude. He was actually better than Evans.
vslice02
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Francis' career ended because knee tendenitis robbed him of his quickness and explosiveness. Prior to that, teams still valued him and both the Magic (at age 28 he was the centerpiece in the TMac deal) and the Knicks traded for him. Francis could be a mental-case and definitely not a player I would have wanted on my team, but he had alot of value to alot of teams before his knee started acting up.
I could see comparing Francis and Tyreke as score-first PG's (although their actual games were vastly different), but I don't think comparing the two from an attitude or mental standpoint is fair or accurate.
He was declining long before that. He was traded multiple times. He could have made a comeback, but no one wanted him.
margodydek
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I'm sure Francis was great, maybe he was better than Tyreke, but I'm pretty sure he had some injuries that lead to his demise (he probably could have bounced back had he had better attitude), but I put Tyreke as one of the 5 most athletic freaks in the game right now with Lebron, Westbrook, Blake & whoever I missed. I feel comfortable that he'll be playing in the league in 2019.
I won't be surprised if he isn't.
Dwill4mvp
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Dude Brian Scalibrine is getting on teams. Tyreke Evans will have no problem staying in the league.
Mcgrady was brought up here.. I don't think you can say McGrady had a bad career or anything. Yes, he didn't when a championship but, really good players don't always win championships. Mcgrady averaged 32pts 6.5 reb 5.5 apg and 1.7 spg in 2003. Is a 7 time all-star. 2 time 1st Nba team, 3 time 2nd team, 2 time 3rd team. That is an extremely impressive resume in terms of individual performance. He has been in talks for the HOF.
Jerry Sloan is one of the greatest coaches of all time and never won a ship. I don't think winning is always everything when it comes to evaluating talent.
Injuries destroyed Steve Francis career. Plus he was a hot dog, and a hot head. He played more like a street-baller at the time. After his injuries he went on to start his own business'. He just had enough, there was an article in dime magazine about a year ago that talked about it.
Dwill4mvp
Member
He was traded due to issues with coaches.. It never a question of deteriorating talent.
And his main weapon was his athleticism and ability to get to the hoop. Guys like that don't last very long because they only have so much in them. Plus he was undersized. This is why guys that have more skills and are pass first pg's last much longer. Ala Jamaal Tinsley for example. He is a much better facilitator then Stevie Francis. Vince Carter has been able to remain in the league because he is still a pretty good shooter, and scorer.
McGrady could shoot much better than Evans and didn't have as bad as attitude problems. McGrady also led teams to the playoffs. He didn't do anything there, but he at least got there.
Evans isn't the best or 2nd best player on a playoff team. If he continues to get paid like that, or is pursued by teams with the thought of him being a cornerstone he will stay out of the playoffs. If he goes to the Bulls he will obviously make it, probably as a bench player.
Jerry Sloan won a ton of ****ing games. Don't compare him to Tyreke Evans, who has lost a lot of ****ing games.
Dwill4mvp
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Were talking about a kid that is 22. All this is moot until the end of his career. Currently he is not some washed up player. He can contribute to a team, and is one of the more exciting players in the league. His numbers don't lie. Lets wait till he is done before we write him off as a loser.
What can he contribute? Dominating the ball, turning it over a lot, not being efficient, not being able to shoot? Those are all things I want from a role player on my team.
He is one of the players who has the game of a superstar, but isn't a hard enough worker or smart enough to be a superstar. The result is having a ball dominant guy who isn't good enough to get away with being ball dominant.
The only way I can see Evans really being valuable is off the bench as a scorer. He still needs to improve his shooting dramatically along with his mentality.
Dwill4mvp
Member
The frustrating part about this is you have no idea how hard he works. You have no idea what his ambitions are or if he wants it. Yes I do agree he turns the ball over a lot but that happens with ball-dominant players. Shooting can be fixed, give him time. I guess we agree to disagree, I really do see your concerns. But, my opinion is highly different on what his future is in the league.
Seeing as he hasn't improved since his rookie year and his jumper hasn't improved, I'm willing to bet he hasn't worked hard enough. That, or he just isn't that good and has totally peaked.
Dwill4mvp
Member
Well it's been injuries. You usually see young guys get more PT each year but he has been consistently getting around 37 or 38 mpg. That way his stats haven't really increased and then like I said the injury. But, I guess we will see.
Hartsock
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So they trade away a really good center for another player that dominates the ball and cant shoot? Seems like a really god awful terrible trade to me.