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Jazz back in talks with Josh Howard

JAZZGASM said:
It is Mr. Gasm to you good sir, and my point was, PPS isn't everything, otherwise Jeremy Evans (1.48) would have a max contract and Kirilenko (1.39 last year with Jazz IIRC) would still be a starter for us.

And besides, based on his positioning, with a minimum contract, by your estimates it could have been worse (125 other players in the league with a lower PPS). How many of those players made mores $$$ than Howard? I love it when people come up with one stat to show a player sucks. BFD. At least bring it with Dean Oliver's TOTAL offensive rating, incorporating FG/FT, assists, turnovers and offensive rebounds.
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oh there are plenty of stats to show that josh howard sucks. i just picked one because it addresses the false notion propagated by boler & harp that he was really "coming on" before the injury. the guy was never on, he's a volume shooter, and that's what he has always been.

but you want more stats? that's kind of my thing, so here you go...

- 10.5 PER (well below league average of 15, worse than CJ miles, only slightly better than roger braille and earl watson)
- .411 eFG% - only guys worse on the team are blake (in 4 total games, 30 total minutes), earl (on 5.6 attempts per 36 minutes) and carroll (in only 20 games).
- 1.2 apg, or 1 assist for about every 7 shot attempts, worst of all perimeter players.
- a win share of 0.5, lower than everybody on the team except for carroll, tinsley, watson and ahearn. that's a list you want to be on.
- got to the line less often per FGA (.268) than any rotation regular other than al or braille.
 
theNBAnerd said:
oh there are plenty of stats to show that josh howard sucks. i just picked one because it addresses the false notion propagated by boler & harp that he was really "coming on" before the injury. the guy was never on, he's a volume shooter, and that's what he has always been.

but you want more stats? that's kind of my thing, so here you go...

- 10.5 PER (well below league average of 15, worse than CJ miles, only slightly better than roger braille and earl watson)
- .411 eFG% - only guys worse on the team are blake (in 4 total games, 30 total minutes), earl (on 5.6 attempts per 36 minutes) and carroll (in only 20 games).
- 1.2 apg, or 1 assist for about every 7 shot attempts, worst of all perimeter players.
- a win share of 0.5, lower than everybody on the team except for carroll, tinsley, watson and ahearn. that's a list you want to be on.
- got to the line less often per FGA (.268) than any rotation regular other than al or braille.
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Ok, now break that down for the first 1/3 of the season when he was getting acclimated, the games prior to the injury and post-injury.
 
JAZZGASM said:
Ok, now break that down for the first 1/3 of the season when he was getting acclimated, the games prior to the injury and post-injury.
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you. the burden of proof isn't on me here, mate. i've shown using a variety of objective measures that howard didn't add much of value to the team. if you want to try to refute that and show something different, YOU do the work.
 
JAZZGASM said:
I'm just saying but for the injury, he may have turned out to be a decent addition.
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Too bad he got hurt, otherwise he could have taken more minutes from the youngins, which would have been swell. At least we would have probably beaten the spurs.
 
From HoopsHype.com

Brian T. Smith: UFA forward Josh Howard still has interest in signing with #UtahJazz. Twitter

Brian T. Smith: Unresolved Raja Bell buyout situation complicates Howard's interest in re-signing with Jazz; more likely he'll choose another #NBA team. Twitter

Brian T. Smith: Several agents with clients who had interest in signing with Jazz have wondered why it's taken so long for Utah to finalize buyout. Considering Bell's situation with Utah stretches back to D-Will era, fact sides haven't resolved buyout has become surreal and un-Jazz like. Twitter

Marc J. Spears: Free agent forward Josh Howard to visit Spurs on Monday, source tells Y! Sports.
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I would certainly rather have Howard than Bell. But, I would also rather Bell be on the team as a veteran presence and pseudo-coach than to buyout his contract at full dollar value and have him get paid for doing nothing. Mostly, by not agreeing to a fair buyout, Bell is hurting his own reputation around the league. When prior to his problems with Corbin, he was still respected despite his diminishing skill level.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
I would certainly rather have Howard than Bell. But, I would also rather Bell be on the team as a veteran presence and pseudo-coach than to buyout his contract at full dollar value and have him get paid for doing nothing.
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Agreed with your pseudo-coach comment. But then again, would Bell be up for that task?
And if so, would he be bad for the locker room ,or would he be a positive?
 
Bell is a better defensive expert than any assistant coach currently or was (e.g., Layden) on the team. His body may not be able to guard a trash can anymore, but his mind should be able to help come up with schemes and demand hustle.
 
so we should make him an assistant coach???

if the bell situation is the reason howard doesn't come back... then my answer to that is, "maybe roger CAN do something right after all."
 
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