Why would you think it was accident?
God Deniers
- Thread starter PearlWatson
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Why would you think it was accident?
I stand corrected (possi8bly).
PearlWatson
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I don't know how you determine that, but I ain't.
addictionary
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Don't tire yourselves. Obama will win again.
MVP
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Totally wrong. I respect people's choice to believe in god. But I want others to respect my choice to not believe as well.
If you are going to underline the qualifier, the honest thing to do would be to use the correct one ("many"). Since the one has nothing to do with the other, I'm equally sure he had no good reasoning for that. The combination of the qualifier he did use, and the lack of connection, make what he said quite parallel to my statement.
Yes, I'm well aware it would be false, and a confusion of the persona for the person.
The Black Swordsman
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I, for example, just love it when they claim that atheism is science.
Atheists claim that more and more about the natural world is discovered the more and more god's like Thor and Apollo get disproved. They give examples like lightening and evolution. Did you notice that since 1859 there has only been discoveries showing the other way. Isaac Newton said "Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance." We have found so much more, Read the book Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe to found out a little bit of just how much the universe is fine tuned. (Even Stephen Hawking and Steven Weinberg say the universe is "extremely fine tuned"). Also read "A formal test of the theory of universal common ancestry" by Douglas L. Theobald. It provides strong stastical data to support what is assumed already in science. The monophyly in life. All life occured only once on earth. So we have this super rare planet, and this super rare event happened... and only once.
Also atheists have forever denied the second premise of the KCM. After the proposal of the Big Bang (which was done by a priest btw) atheists nowadays have no choice but to deny the first premise. That something cannot come out of nothing. By denying this you are basically denying that we live in a lawful universe.
It's ok to be an atheist, just understand that it is the most irrational worldview.
Even the great Trey Parker agrees with me
[on religion]
"the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah ... there's this big giant universe and it's expanding, it's all gonna collapse on itself and we're all just here just 'cause ... just 'cause'. That, to me, is the most ridiculous explanation ever."
Jefferson was quite clear he did not believe in the Christian God, as was Madison, Paine, and Franklin.
PearlWatson
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Cause Darwiniacs told him so.
jimmy eat jazz
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Why do you think it wasn't?
Accident is probably not the right word, but it was the result of thousands or millions of things that kind of had to fall into line, such as a planet just close enough to the sun to support life, and so forth.
This offers to me a far more plausible explanation than some all powerful deity assembling/creating the component parts, etc.
I don't need to believe in God, or that there is a plan to all of this, to fee special or that life has meaning. Hell, my conception was pure random chance. If my parents had copulated at any other time, it would have been a different sperm uniting with a different egg with an entirely different genetic coding, and I never would have been born. That I was born is a miracle to me for which I am grateful. I love life, I find meaning in it, and recognizing that it is the product of any number of purely random or coincidental occurrences doesn't diminish for me in the least the joy I get out of it.
PearlWatson
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I see no evidence of that, but I don't care if that nonsense is important to you.
I've never before met a poster who thought that, since 1859, science has been evidencing the existence of Thor and Apollo.
MVP
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Why do you expect me to answer your question if you did not answer mine?
I will ask you one more question. In last few hundreds of years there were thousands of life forms which got extinct and thousands of new species discovered. Do you think it is by accident or it is god's work? Think about it in millions of years perspective.
If you really care to find out about their religions beliefs, the evidence is available.
The Black Swordsman
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I've never before met a poster who thought that, since 1859, science has been evidencing the existence of Thor and Apollo.
I've never said that. I've said that atheists claimed that science has done a good job of providing evidence against god's like thor or apollo and they thought that the single creator god was the next in line. They failed against the god of all creation that lives outside the universe that some Hindu's, Sikh's, Christians, Muslims, Jew's, and deists believe in.
Because "accident" does not describe chance nor necessity, both of which are fundamental in the development of our current reality.
There are more than 8*10^67 ways to that a deck of cards can be shuffled. However, the only randomness invovled is the inability of the shuffler to control where the cards are. There is no inherently random event that goes into shuffling a deck, just a lack of knowledge about the outcome. Yet, we don't normally view any card order as being "more in line" than any other that a card order "fell into". If the universe had, for whatever reason, not had you (or I) in it, it would nonetheless be here.
PearlWatson
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I doesn't matter what qualifier, but it is interesting that you have now inserted a qualifier of your own in front of reasoning.
Thank you for clarifying that. I was worried.
The concept of "the god of all creation" is non-specific enough that I will happily grant science will never disprove it.
The Black Swordsman
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"Instead of looking through the works of the creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they inquire to create doubts of His existence. They labor their studies to ascribe everything they behold to innate properties of matter and jump over all the rest by saying, that all matter is eternal"
-Thomas Paine.
This is all atheists do, they find out that something can be scientifically analyzed and then turn around and somehow say that it proves god doesn't exist.
Gravity on surface of earth can be described by F=Mg.... therefore that proves God isn't constantly pushing us down with invisible hands!
Also Thomas Paine points out how atheists hide behind all matter is eternal. Bertrand Russel did the same, he said the universe was a brute fact. However, this claim has been disproven! No matter is eternal, it was created from light beams produced at the big bang! The atheists don't even have a leg to stand on anymore.
-Thomas Paine.
This is all atheists do, they find out that something can be scientifically analyzed and then turn around and somehow say that it proves god doesn't exist.
Gravity on surface of earth can be described by F=Mg.... therefore that proves God isn't constantly pushing us down with invisible hands!
Also Thomas Paine points out how atheists hide behind all matter is eternal. Bertrand Russel did the same, he said the universe was a brute fact. However, this claim has been disproven! No matter is eternal, it was created from light beams produced at the big bang! The atheists don't even have a leg to stand on anymore.