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For the Royce white fans...

^^^ Good post, TT.

Also, I re-read what I typed and realize why it came off so insensitive. It seems I was referring to anxiety disorders in general, when I was actually referring to White, specifically.

In a lot of collegiate and NBA coaching circles, White is perceived as having an attitude problem that, early on, he began blaming on a disorder. I KNOW that sounds insensitive, but hear me out.

When he was in middle school, I believe, he had a coach that was pulling his hair out because he couldn't get Royce to do any tough conditioning. Royce would come up with excuse after excuse.. one day, while the team was running, a friend of his collapsed and was taken to the hospital. Since then, Royce developed a fear of windsprints and was excused from doing them. He was later caught shoplifting and when it was time to fly to another state for his hearing, he couldn't go (and was excused from it) for a fear of flying. There was another issue he got out of when he stole a laptop from a dorm at Minnesota ..

What I was trying to say is, most people that follow the kid's career believe he created this series of stories to suit his liking and he could never unwind what was said so he just rolled with it. Maybe he sincerely developed a fear of windsprints, maybe he seriously is afraid of flying.. but there are many (most) who just don't buy it.

For the record, I really like the kid/guy. I said this many times in the '2012 draft thread.'
 
mhindy said:
If he can't get on a plane, it's an anxiety thing related to planes.
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Did either one of you read what he said? He has anxiety disorder and a fear of flying. God forbid it be both.
 
Twin Towers said:
After studying the people who got rid of both of these vs people who suppress the problem with drugs...
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Treating anxiety with drugs does not necessarily imply suppressing the problem. Far from a recommendation (since for many people, the same treatment has adverse effects on their anxiety...tread lightly and consult with medical professionals if that's your thing), I self medicate with psychotropic drugs, which I find help me change my frame of reference and critically examine the negative/irrational mental loops that led to debilitating anxiety in the past.
 
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Will be interesting to see if he eventually gets use to the NBA life, or if it destroys him. I hope he does well. The Rockets will be fine though, I think they took him and Terrance Jones as insurance policies for each other.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Will be interesting to see if he eventually gets use to the NBA life, or if it destroys him. I hope he does well. The Rockets will be fine though, I think they took him and Terrance Jones as insurance policies for each other.
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Haha, well said.
 
GVC said:
Treating anxiety with drugs does not necessarily imply suppressing emotion. Far from a recommendation (since for many people, the same treatment has adverse effects on their anxiety...tread lightly and consult with medical professionals if that's your thing), I self medicate with psychotropic drugs, which I find help me change my frame of reference and critically examine the negative/irrational mental loops that led to debilitating anxiety in the past.
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Everyone can use things in their own way. Whatever works best for you. I just look at every problem as Cause and Effect. To me anxiety isn't a mysterious thing that just happens because it happens. Something causes anxiety or causes depression or causes cancer. Finding the cause and dealing with it solves the problem.
The health industry has everything backwards. We study sick people to find out how to get healthy. And I haven't seen a pill that actually attacks the Cause of the problem. It addresses the symptoms. Which is great for short term. But I have seen too many friends and family that have been hurt depending on them long term.
Again this is just my experience with this problem. It doesn't mean that medications don't work. To me there are better options that you won't hear from very many doctors. They are not taught anything different or alternative options. And when you pay that much for school I would be frustrated to study anything outside of my education that I could of learned for a lot less. I blame the system not the medical professionals though.
But like I said everybody is different and you choose what is best for you. But hopefully whoever has these problems study things out and do what makes sense to you. Not what the Doctor tells you to do.
 
Xthren said:
I know during the draft quite a few people wanted us to go after white but I said he is a nut case well look at Houston, they might regret that choice. (I am not getting down on Royce he has mental issues that need help) I am glad he is not in a jazz uni.

Sorry if this has already been posted or talked about, been out of the loop.
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Labeling Royce White a nutcase because he has serious anxiety problems.

Typical member of this forum.
 
Twin Towers said:
Everyone can use things in their own way. Whatever works best for you. I just look at every problem as Cause and Effect. To me anxiety isn't a mysterious thing that just happens because it happens. Something causes anxiety or causes depression or causes cancer. Finding the cause and dealing with it solves the problem.
The health industry has everything backwards. We study sick people to find out how to get healthy. And I haven't seen a pill that actually attacks the Cause of the problem. It addresses the symptoms. Which is great for short term. But I have seen too many friends and family that have been hurt depending on them long term.
Again this is just my experience with this problem. It doesn't mean that medications don't work. To me there are better options that you won't hear from very many doctors. They are not taught anything different or alternative options. And when you pay that much for school I would be frustrated to study anything outside of my education that I could of learned for a lot less. I blame the system not the medical professionals though.
But like I said everybody is different and you choose what is best for you. But hopefully whoever has these problems study things out and do what makes sense to you. Not what the Doctor tells you to do.
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I've only read the first few posts of this thread in addition to this one. A few (not all) points I'd like to address:

First, there's a big difference between specific phobias and generalized anxiety. The second is that all anxiety can't just be umbrellaed and attached to specific root causes and treatments. Next is the assumption that the medical community sells the idea of 'a pill will fix that'. The next is that 'pills' have many different purposes. Whether it's benzos or SSRIs, they serve different goals and can't be lumped together, nor are they mutually exclusive with deciphering other "root causes". The idea that "doctors aren't taught any alternatives" is false. The physician-patient interaction is much more complex than simply saying "this is the best form of treatment, do this." Ideally nearly every physician would practice with these ideals in mind. Patient compliance, expectation and understanding change things significantly. It's kind of akin to criticizing the Jazz for not getting Nash to be the PG because it's obvious he'd be the best fit.
 
Oh, and if he simply has specific anxiety relating to flying then that's a far stretch to say he's a nutcase. Also, to say that this should translate into him playing on a large stage is not necessarily correct.
 
I was going to rail about the amount of ignorance displayed in this forum towards mental health issues, but then people said things of substance, so I'm not going to go there.

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem with him taking the bus (and why a bus? Seems to me there would be cheaper options for a single person, like... a car.) rather than flying would be missing out on the team cohesion.
 
gandalfe said:
I was going to rail about the amount of ignorance displayed in this forum towards mental health issues, but then people said things of substance, so I'm not going to go there.

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest problem with him taking the bus (and why a bus? Seems to me there would be cheaper options for a single person, like... a car.) rather than flying would be missing out on the team cohesion.
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If flying is one of the largest of his anxieties, then by all means let him take a bus. He'll probably miss some games, but Houston knew he had problems before they drafted him. So maybe they get 60 games out of him and he misses the cross-country games (or the 1st game of long road trips) but plays all home + whatever games he can get to by driving instead of flying. Best of luck to him. Hopefully this is a condition that becomes more manageable with time, medication, support and understanding.
 
MoTown16 said:
If flying is one of the largest of his anxieties, then by all means let him take a bus. He'll probably miss some games, but Houston knew he had problems before they drafted him. So maybe they get 60 games out of him and he misses the cross-country games (or the 1st game of long road trips) but plays all home + whatever games he can get to by driving instead of flying. Best of luck to him. Hopefully this is a condition that becomes more manageable with time, medication, support and understanding.
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But the thing is that he CAN fly, he just does not like to. This is not about 60 games. He can and wants to play 82. It's just that out of those 41 road games, he'd prefer to do as many as possible by bus. There is no need to fly from Boston to NYC on an East Coast trip, as you can drive that in 5 hours. Hell, if going through airport is the same for NBA players as it is for mere mortals like us, it'd probably be faster.
 
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