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Who is the better offensive facilitator, Harris or Mo?

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Who is the better offensive facilitator?

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Not asking who is the better fit (for an Al-centered team, the answer is obviously Mo). Rather, lets address this question specifically, using past seasons and this preseason as reference. Curios to read some opinions, and justifications.
 
This is a hard question, i chose harris though... i havent seen mo or harris in a situation with a real good PF or C who could run the pick and role to perfection. but i think out of the 3 harris could play the pass first game better. i think he had pretty good court vision he had a couple really good years with mavs and nets.
 
They're pretty even. They both have a career average of 5 APG and have both averaged 6+ assists 5 times. But I'll say this: not only is Mo a better overall fit for us, he seems to be a better facilitator for our offense; he's averaging 6 APG in just 24 minutes during the preseason.
 
When Harris got a head of steam you just knew he wasn't passing the ball. Mo appears to be able to drive and dish - that will be huge for our bigs.

Also, Mo is a legit in your face 3 point shooter whereby Harris could only drain 3's if he was left wide open. This will discourage low post doubles which we saw with regularity when Harris made an entry pass in the set offense.
 
candrew said:
When Harris got a head of steam you just knew he wasn't passing the ball. Mo appears to be able to drive and dish - that will be huge for our bigs.

Also, Mo is a legit in your face 3 point shooter whereby Harris could only drain 3's if he was left wide open. This will discourage low post doubles which we saw with regularity when Harris made an entry pass in the set offense.
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I agree with this point, but this is not what I am asking.


When I think of Harris's passing, I think of two things: sometimes-decent pick and roll plays, ad disgusting alley-oop passes. Still, I recall seeing some okay P&R plays from him. Do you think we might see the same from Mo?
 
dalamon said:
When I think of Harris's passing, I think of two things: sometimes-decent pick and roll plays, ad disgusting alley-oop passes. Still, I recall seeing some okay P&R plays from him. Do you think we might see the same from Mo?
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It takes two to dance. Harris had only Favors and to lesser degree Millsap to run pick and rolls. Rest of Jazz bigs were horrible at it. Deron Williams was spoiled and had inflated assists due to playing with Boozer and Memo ( who was great pick and pop player). So it is kind of hard to judge Mo and Harris on that aspect of the game as neither of them has/had lots of chances to run pick and roll on current/last years Jazz.
 
AKMVP said:
It takes two to dance. Harris had only Favors and to lesser degree Millsap to run pick and rolls. Rest of Jazz bigs were horrible at it. Deron Williams was spoiled and had inflated assists due to playing with Boozer and Memo ( who was great pick and pop player). So it is kind of hard to judge Mo and Harris on that aspect of the game as neither of them has/had lots of chances to run pick and roll on current/last years Jazz.
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Fair enough. Harris has been touted as a decent PG for the pick and roll, before he came to the Jazz. At least, that's what I've read before (forget where). I think you should be able to look at previous years, take into account their current skillsets, and make a jugement though.
 
dalamon said:
I agree with this point, but this is not what I am asking.
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True, I guess I was speaking in a more abstract sense. By virtue of the fact that you must body up Williams at the 3 point line (unlike Harris) that will make it easier for the low post players to score.

While that doesn't make him a facilitator in the traditional point guard sense, he will make it easier for the front court players on the team when he's on the floor..
 
candrew said:
True, I guess I was speaking in a more abstract sense. By virtue of the fact that you must body up Williams at the 3 point line (unlike Harris) that will make it easier for the low post players to score.

While that doesn't make him a facilitator in the traditional point guard sense, he will make it easier for Al when he's on the floor..
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I think the biggest beneficiary would be Al. Millsap is a competent iso-player, but not as good as Al (in my opinion). Mo's floor-spreading will help our iso-players like Burks, Kanter, and Al the most; however, from what I can mentally gather, Favors and Millsap need a different sort of point guard than one who's biggest strength is simply spreading the floor.
 
I think Mo has a higher basketball IQ, as the experts say. Harris is more athletic and could push the ball better, but Mo, even as a rookie, appeared to pick up Utah's offense quickly.
 
I can't judge from the preseason, but neither are great, classic PG's. My concern has more to do with the shots Mo takes. The only shots Harris ever forced were on drives, and I rarely care about forcing shots on drives. Mo likes jumpers from what I've seen. That can work, but handling the ball as much as he does he's going to see a lot more shots than he has for years, in a contract year. It will be interesting to see the restraint he shows.
 
billyshelby said:
I can't judge from the preseason, but neither are great, classic PG's. My concern has more to do with the shots Mo takes. The only shots Harris ever forced were on drives, and I rarely care about forcing shots on drives. Mo likes jumpers from what I've seen. That can work, but handling the ball as much as he does he's going to see a lot more shots than he has for years, in a contract year. It will be interesting to see the restraint he shows.
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From what I've seen in the pre-season I'd agree, he's becoming a bit chuckery. That being said I'm more confident that he'll make them than pretty much any other player on the roster.
 
A difficult inquiry, indeed. Although I am a fan of Malt, Heaven, and Smokin', I feel obligated to go with my MAIN man: Jonathan "Veganese" Crotty. Sorry to intrude, lady and gentleman, but seeing how Heaven is no longer on the roster, surely my response of Veganese Crotty would be acceptable. Goodbye.
 
The question here is whether Mo was shot first because of who he is or because of who he was playing with. How much can a guard handle the ball when LeBron is on his team? Or Chris Paul? I never personally felt that Mo was pass first though, so I vote neither because I never thought that Harris was either.
 
Mo is going to surprise a lot of people this year with his ability to facilitate. Being capable of nailing a jump shot when defenses go under the screen makes him the better facilitator alone. The Jazz can actually run a pick and roll now that Mo fills the 2nd threat.

That and Harris sucks *** at everything besides throwing the ball down to Al and then sticking his finger up somewhere warm.
 
Did I mention how much Devin Harris sucked last season? 5 assists per game, 99% from Al Jefferson post ups. Mo Williams creates for others; Harris crams his fingers inside warm holes and pouts.

And I guarantee Mo isn't putting up with everyone bullying Lil Gordy either.
 
franklin said:
Mo is going to surprise a lot of people this year with his ability to facilitate. Being capable of nailing a jump shot when defenses go under the screen makes him the better facilitator alone
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He doesn't seem to be able to capitalize when guards go over screens because he doesn't attack the rim aggressively enough to draw help defenders. If you could combine Mo's ability to pull up when guards go under screens with Devin's ability to get to the rim (in the games he wasn't sleep walking through), you'd have a pretty dangerous P&R threat. Hopefully Mo understands this, and attacks the rim more once the season starts.
 
franklin said:
And I guarantee Mo isn't putting up with everyone bullying Lil Gordy either.
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Gordy can just suck it up. He dont need no 6 foot bodyguard. He gets under the other teams skin on purpose, then smirks when they do something dumb. He's fine.
 
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