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udflyer

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I love absolutely everything about Hayward's game except his extreme inconsistency in shooting.

It seemed as though when Ty had him run the 2nd unit for a few games, taking a lot of shots, most that he normally wouldn't take, he did OK. (About 50%)


But as a 3rd/4th option his shooting is horrible. To the point I wonder how he got this far.

He seems to do better with Tinsley at point for some reason.

Anyway, I am just perplexed on what he will turn out to be ........

I hope the kid turns it around :confused:
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
His balance sucks. You can tell when he drives too, he just doesn't have the best body control.
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This. When he is on balance and with his feet set he is a pretty good shooter. He struggles with his footwork coming off screens and when a pass is poorly thrown. IMO fixing these problems would make him an average NBA shooter. But with the rest of his all around game would make him a pretty good player.
 
Can he shoot, or can he shoot well? He can be an ok shooter, never going to be a Korver but he should be a good enough shooter to keep defenses honest. I prefer him driving anyways, as long as he can be consistent enough to make the D get up on him he will be ok.
 
I love Hayward's defense, passing and overall basketball IQ, but I have accepted the fact that he will never be a great shooter. He may get hot at times (and occasionally hit a game winning shot like the Sacramento game), but he'll never be dependable/consistent go to guy.
 
Hayward has wildly inconsistent mechanics on his jump shot. He often does not jump straight up and down, when he shoots from the corner he always seems to be leaning towards the baseline. All bad habits that makes your shots sail instead of go straight.

Personally, I blame Jeff Hornacek. These are all things Hornacek did as a player but he made them more than he missed because he was a natural pure shooter.

I sometimes wonder if Horny was too unique a shooter for him to convey it properly to his players - kind of like Jimi Hendrix trying to teach someone to play the guitar.
 
Right now, I would take Kirilenkoesque consistency when it comes to CJ Hayward's shooting.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
His balance sucks. You can tell when he drives too, he just doesn't have the best body control.
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Qman said:
This. When he is on balance and with his feet set he is a pretty good shooter. He struggles with his footwork coming off screens and when a pass is poorly thrown. IMO fixing these problems would make him an average NBA shooter. But with the rest of his all around game would make him a pretty good player.
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candrew said:
Hayward has wildly inconsistent mechanics on his jump shot. He often does not jump straight up and down, when he shoots from the corner he always seems to be leaning towards the baseline. All bad habits that makes your shots sail instead of go straight.
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These. He leans back far too often on catch and shoots like he's trying to copy something from Dirk Nowitski's one footed shot. Predicting his misses from his posture is quite easy -- they hit the rim short in proportion to how far back he leans.
 
udflyer said:
I love absolutely everything about Hayward's game except his extreme inconsistency in shooting.

It seemed as though when Ty had him run the 2nd unit for a few games, taking a lot of shots, most that he normally wouldn't take, he did OK. (About 50%)


But as a 3rd/4th option his shooting is horrible. To the point I wonder how he got this far.

He seems to do better with Tinsley at point for some reason.

Anyway, I am just perplexed on what he will turn out to be ........

I hope the kid turns it around :confused:
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IMO Everything points to him being better as a starter (or a 2nd/3rd option)


Starting
13.3 ppg (45%, 32%, 80%)
3.3 reb
2.1 ast

Bench
13.0 ppg (33%, 19%, 90%)
2.4 reb
2.0 ast
 
yes you can totally tell the difference on most of his shots, like the game winner compared to last night in nearly the same spot. My 8yr old is starting to see it as well and yells at the TV with me (probably not a good thing but it is funny) many of you could probably break it down much better but the easiest and really the starting point is his feet. When they are square, spaced (he usually keeps them way to close together) and set before he starts his jump for his shot the rest usually follows and those are the ones that go in more often then not.
 
udflyer said:
I love absolutely everything about Hayward's game except his extreme inconsistency in shooting.

It seemed as though when Ty had him run the 2nd unit for a few games, taking a lot of shots, most that he normally wouldn't take, he did OK. (About 50%)


But as a 3rd/4th option his shooting is horrible. To the point I wonder how he got this far.

He seems to do better with Tinsley at point for some reason.

Anyway, I am just perplexed on what he will turn out to be ........

I hope the kid turns it around :confused:
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As Jope pointed out, Hayward is a much better shooter when he doesn't create his own shot. In the 4 games he was trying to be the "man" on the second unit, his percentages tanked and he became a turnover machine, all while his assist numbers did not increase.

Until he becomes even an adequate driver (not likely), he's a lifetime 3rd option who will get most of his points opportunistically (breaks/guys finding him for jumpshots.)
 
He's playing the Shooting Guard position right now.

We need him to play the Making Guard position.
 
billyshelby said:
As Jope pointed out, Hayward is a much better shooter when he doesn't create his own shot. In the 4 games he was trying to be the "man" on the second unit, his percentages tanked and he became a turnover machine, all while his assist numbers did not increase.
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On the other hand, the excuses put out there for his crap play are increasing.
 
YB85 said:
Right now, I would take Kirilenkoesque consistency when it comes to CJ Hayward's shooting.
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I didn't think it was mathematically possible, but the real CJ has managed to maintain his downward-trending career-ending death-spiral this season:

FG: 48% --> 46% --> 43% --> 41% --> 38% --> 29%
3pt: 39% --> 35% --> 34% --> 32% --> 31% --> 31%
 
If you watch Foye's head when he shoots, he never jerks it back like Hayward does. When your eyes are bouncing back like that, it makes focusing on the rim more difficult. I rebounded for Kyle Korver at a gym once. He always landed in the same place he jumped from on his jumper. Hayward floats forward and to the right some times. If he doesn't fix these problems, he will never be a consistent shooter.
 
sojodave said:
If you watch Foye's head when he shoots, he never jerks it back like Hayward does. When your eyes are bouncing back like that, it makes focusing on the rim more difficult. I rebounded for Kyle Korver at a gym once. He always landed in the same place he jumped from on his jumper. Hayward floats forward and to the right some times. If he doesn't fix these problems, he will never be a consistent shooter.
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I can't take your comments seriously with your avatar staring at me.
 
Grant Hill upside?

Besides correcting poor shooting mechanics, Gordon has to change his style to be more like Grant Hill's. He needs to master the mid-range jumper and tear-drop shot. Like Grant, Gordon can break down his man and get into the paint with ease. But instead of a stop-and-pop, he continually drives into a crowd and get stuffed. Hornacek was excellent at the mid-range game, throwing up baby hooks et al. Hill was not a good spot-up shooter either, and Gordon has to stop thinking he is one. Maybe our expectations of Gordon were just too high. We spent years trying to turn CJ into the second coming of Bryant; now we'd like Gordon to the second coming of John Havlicek, for those on the board who remember the Celtic great.

Maybe average is his real upside?
 
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