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Mormons and Gays.

One Brow said:
If two gay men are raising a child together, being married allows them to provide better resources, better security, and better support to their family, in areas like health insurance, chronic illness, and estate planning. What better reason do you need? What better reason do you use to justify heterosexual marriage?
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Now there are about 20 cons that have been listed... please see previous posts to see reasonon why and why not...

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Scat said:
Holy cow. All I was doing with my original comment was pointing out that regardless of what I believe or am OK with (or not) I am labeled.

For the record:

A. I do not hate gay people
B. I am not homophobic
C. I do not believe in gay marriage
D. I do not believe in extending every benefit that married couples receive to gays via a civil union. That said, there are a number that I have no issue with.

Take it for what it's worth.
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Ashley's dad doesn't hate black people.
Ashley's dad doesn't have racist notions.
Ashley's dad doesn't believe black people whould marry white people.
Ashley's dad doesn't believe in extending every benefit that married couples receive to gays via a civil union.

Take it for what it's worth.

https://freethoughtblogs.com/ashleymiller/2012/12/03/ive-lost-my-dad/
 
colton said:
Why do the men have to be gay? What if you and a male friend want to raise a child together but aren't interested in having any homosexual relations with each other? I still can't see what homosexuality has to do with anything in this argument.
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So, you'd be in favor of allowing the two men to marry, even if they were asexual? Or, do you limit asexual marriages to one man and one woman?
 
JGolds said:
Now there are about 20 cons that have been listed... please see previous posts to see reasonon why and why not...
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I could go through each one individually and explain why it does not apply, but we've been there. Some cons are even corrected by the listed pros.
 
NAOS said:
This thread is EXACTLY what I expected it to be. It's **** like this that makes be applaud the alt movement around here. Too many dudes are rehashing the same "balanced" and "no nonsense" *********, they deserve to be ****ed with.
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I have a couple character ideas who'd be perfect for this place if I ever get around to figuring this alt stuff out.
 
One Brow said:
I could go through each one individually and explain why it does not apply, but we've been there. Some cons are even corrected by the listed pros.
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I love hearing self-taught BS. You could use that same rebuttal for saying the cons cancel out the pros cause they do.
 
JGolds said:
I love hearing self-taught BS. You could use that same rebuttal for saying the cons cancel out the pros cause they do.
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The difference being that, for those that contradict, the pros are based in reality, the cons in fantasy. There really have been different definitions of marriage by different cultures. There is no such thing as a traditional definition of marriage that transcends different cultures.
 
Scat said:
Apples and oranges.
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Absolutely. You're not Ashley's dad, so it's definitely not at all alike.

More seriously, when you take positions that are basically those taken by the homophobes, the results of which basically support the goals of the homophobes, the claim that you, individually, do have homophobic feelings is, at the very best, very meager consolation to the people experiencing discrimination. Your position offers credence and support to homophobia, whether you personally have such inclinations or not.
 
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