Utah Jazz VS LA Clippers Friday 12/28/12 @ 7:00 ROOT Sports 1280 AM/ 97.5 FM

[billyshelby]

I thought Hayward played well against Paul in the 4th. He wasn't great, but better than what we had (in Locke Reacharound Land, Hayward was "fabulous" on Paul). But we didn't lose because of PG play. We lost because we can't sustain leads on teams without an offense to run down the stretch. It doesn't matter who we put in, or what plays we call: ALL post passes are ISO's. There are no cutters. We don't even have a shot worth taking for 10 seconds of every clock. And we have no idea how to reset and get a shot when the first play is defended. This has been a constant since game 1.

 

[Zulu]

Everyone rep this man.

This...

 

[billyshelby]

Trust me, you do NOT want Foye at PG. Absolutely not. Regardless of how bad you think Watson and Tinsley are playing, Foye at PG would be worse. The guy is a TERRIBLE ball-handler. In fact, he's terrible at virtually everything except for shooting 3s.

Foye would easily rank in the bottom 5 of PG's if he played regular minutes. He can't drive or pass at all. It's absurd to think he could play there regularly.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Trust me, you do NOT want Foye at PG. Absolutely not. Regardless of how bad you think Watson and Tinsley are playing, Foye at PG would be worse. The guy is a TERRIBLE ball-handler. In fact, he's terrible at virtually everything except for shooting 3s.

I meant it more in the way that he would only be labeled as the PG (with the bench not starting) because Burks and Hayward would be the ones doing the majority of the ball handling. But in a tight game I can understand not going to it but last game against GSW I was hoping he would've tried it out in the 4th Qtr when the game was out of reach.

 

[NAOS]

Foye would easily rank in the bottom 5 of PG's if he played regular minutes. He can't drive or pass at all. It's absurd to think he could play there regularly.

I keep waiting for your comments on the (lack of) third quarter adjustments. Saying we didn't lose because of PG play seems pretty hard to swallow when you get so abused by CP3 in that quarter.

 

[billyshelby]

You could make the argument that Corbin was paying attention to SOMETHING going on in the game. You could also make the argument that he doesn't know how it is that Foye best scores his points.

I get the YMCA strategy. I just don't get why we had to pretend that works with Randy Foye in an NBA game. I'd have to check the TO's. If we had no TO's, then somebody had to take the desperation long ball. But if we had a TO, then at least try to run something to get a better shot and call a TO if the play doesn't materialize.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Foye would easily rank in the bottom 5 of PG's if he played regular minutes. He can't drive or pass at all. It's absurd to think he could play there regularly.

Did you see last year where Tinsley and Watson ranked last year (I can't find the link but they were both near the very bottom) and sadly they played better last year then they are so far this year.

 

[Nate505]

Lets be honest here. The refs did not win the game for the Clippers. Ty Corbin did.

I agree. And in fairness to the Clippers, the Jazz got some awful calls in their favor as well.

Just in general the reffing was absolutely terrible. To the point where I would not be a basketball fan if those clowns were reffing every game, even in a game that had 200+ points. It was not fun to watch.

 

[CAKAR]

I think Kanter and Millsap should start if we trade Jefferson

But he is not a VET. Corbin would just put Marvin Williams on the 4 and Millsap on the 5.

 

[CAKAR]

I honestly think Kanter is ready to start

no, becausse he´s not a vet...

 

[billyshelby]

I keep waiting for your comments on the (lack of) third quarter adjustments. Saying we didn't lose because of PG play seems pretty hard to swallow when you get so abused by CP3 in that quarter.

We didn't lose because of defense. We played great D all game. In the 1st, the Clips played their game, we could barely run, and the lack of a half court was glaring. In the second, we played great D, but the Clips also missed a ton of shots. We shot ridiculously well despite not getting any easy looks, but mostly got loose on the break. In the 3rd, we actually looked great for the 1st 7 minutes or so.

What did us in more than any other factor was the inability to score in the half court when the Clips went on their run. A TO with an inbounds play to break it up would have helped. And Al getting hot also helped. But a team like the Clips is going to go on runs. You have to counter by being able to trade baskets when you have to, not stopping their offense entirely.

 

[Sneakers]

Also major positive chemisty visible between Burks and Hayward. I love how the young guys don't take no sh**

 

[billyshelby]

Did you see last year where Tinsley and Watson ranked last year (I can't find the link but they were both near the very bottom) and sadly they played better last year then they are so far this year.

I'm not making a case we have good PG play. And I'm especially not making a case that it would be better if we had Mo Will. But if you want to see what really truly terribly awful PG play would look like, start Randy Foye.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

I'm not making a case we have good PG play. And I'm especially not making a case that it would be better if we had Mo Will. But if you want to see what really truly terribly awful PG play would look like, start Randy Foye.

I also didn't mean starting and more so when Foye's shooting well and as a stop gap for just 3-5min in the mid 2nd and 4th qtrs when the opposing bench players are in and again with Hayward and Burks.

Also when I say this it is just an idea to break up the hideousness that was the PG play of the last couple of games. I know it is not an answer and that it may not work.

 

[Brown Notes]

Will you just please address the fact that Watson was ineffective against Chrissy during the second and then asked to defend him for most of the clipp's run in the third? Jesus, man.

ANYBODY would have been better on Chrissy. He didn't use Hay either. He let the best pg in the league get into a rhythm against a non-NBA player. No excuses. Not even from you.

There is no reliable way to deal with it except hustle which we did see in spurts, even from the starters. You cannot just put a forward on a PG and not expect said PG to not exploit the size advantage you're giving up, unless you know there is an ISO play coming. In other words, there was no sustainable substitution to guard CP.

 

[bovice]

Teams start Randy Foye at PG if they want to tank for a top 3 pick

 

[billyshelby]

I get Favors as a defensive sub late in the game, but lets not forget he was flat awful tonight. Kanter played a tiny bit better, but both their performances were drastically colored by the game within game second unit showdown which we clearly won.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Teams start Randy Foye at PG if they want to tank for a top 3 pick

Same with playing Earl Watson at PG.

 

[billyshelby]

I also didn't mean starting and more so when Foye's shooting well and as a stop gap for just 3-5min in the mid 2nd and 4th qtrs when the opposing bench players are in and again with Hayward and Burks.

Also when I say this it is just an idea to break up the hideousness that was the PG play of the last couple of games. I know it is not an answer and that it may not work.

I share your pain in wanting to see adequate PG play. But no matter what their limitations are, Tinsley and Earl are vastly better options than Foye.

If it matters, I think Foye could be a better option than both those guys in a different offensive system. Since we don't actually have a system, we desperately need anybody who can make a play handling the ball. Foye will never be that guy.

 

[NAOS]

We didn't lose because of defense. We played great D all game. In the 1st, the Clips played their game, we could barely run, and the lack of a half court was glaring. In the second, we played great D, but the Clips also missed a ton of shots. We shot ridiculously well despite not getting any easy looks, but mostly got loose on the break. In the 3rd, we actually looked great for the 1st 7 minutes or so.

What did us in more than any other factor was the inability to score in the half court when the Clips went on their run. A TO with an inbounds play to break it up would have helped. And Al getting hot also helped. But a team like the Clips is going to go on runs. You have to counter by being able to trade baskets when you have to, not stopping their offense entirely.

I agree with your statements about the half-court offense, but sorry, this doesn't give credit where credit is due.

There is no reliable way to deal with it except hustle which we did see in spurts, even from the starters. You cannot just put a forward on a PG and not expect said PG to not exploit the size advantage you're giving up, unless you know there is an ISO play coming. In other words, there was no sustainable substitution to guard CP.

When I was browsing I thought Mellow wrote this.