Interesting trade idea from Locke

[Darkwing Duck]

Brand's contract goes through 12-13, so it's three more years.

KOC's favorite trading partner is Philly. Even if Brand isn't 100%, he'd only have to play 15 mins/per behind Millsap worst case. And Utah gets a guaranteed all-star in Turner. Turner/Matthews/CJ at the 2/3. I like that.

Eliminate Boozer's contract and Korver's. That's $16M in savings. Then find a way to only take back 1/2 of AK's salary in a trade at the deadline. That carves almost $25M off the books. Add back whatever it takes to re-sign Matthews and Fes. Sign D-Leaguers like Gaines and Jeffers to get to the 13-man limit. That should be enough to take on Brand's salary.

I'd definitely do this, but I doubt Greggy Boy would go for it. It's too risky.

Can't do "half of AK's contract" because he'd already be gone, replaced by Brand's MONSTROSITY of a contract. And you want to play 16, than 17, and finally 18 million dollars to play "15 minutes a night?" And then you deride the owner because it would be too risky? Seems to me to be too stupid, using that logic.

I'm not totally against the idea of it. I don't think it helps the Jazz beat the Lakers, which is the biggest hurdle at the moment.

 

[Kyoto]

I believe there's only three years left on Brand's albatross. I say **** it and roll the dice. If we're honest with ourselves, we're not winning it all organically anyway without some major move like this. So **** it. Pull the trigger. It's not my money. Ya know. But S&T Booze first.

If that's the case, 3 years looks a lot better than 4 years. I say pull the trigger and get a big. Big players win rings, wing players don't. (Michael Jordan is the exception)

 

[Stifle Tower]

Brand's contract goes through 12-13, so it's three more years.




Can't do "half of AK's contract" because he'd already be gone, replaced by Brand's MONSTROSITY of a contract. And you want to play 16, than 17, and finally 18 million dollars to play "15 minutes a night?" And then you deride the owner because it would be too risky? Seems to me to be too stupid, using that logic.

I'm not totally against the idea of it. I don't think it helps the Jazz beat the Lakers, which is the biggest hurdle at the moment.

Actually, I edited my post and took AK's contract out due to the trade. That puts the Jazz in an even better financial position. I said "worst case" would be 15 mins/per. I expect Brand would beat out Millsap and become the starter. If he doesn't, then you have to look at the combined assets:

You're paying $18M for an all-star wing and a very good back-up PF for the next 3 years. Turner >>>>>>>>>>>>> better than anyone the Jazz will ever get in a sign-and-trade for Boozer or for AK's expiring. Deron and Turner would be an unstoppable force.

Jazz could still get under the tax threshold (no Boozer, Korver off the books, etc.) even IF they take on Brand's salary.
Then Brand would have value as an expiring contract in 2 1/2 years.

 

[Stifle Tower]

It is 3. If you look at ESPN's trade machine, all contracts are as of THIS season. For example, Brand shows up as 4, AK as 2, etc.

 

[NAOS]

If that's the case, 3 years looks a lot better than 4 years. I say pull the trigger and get a big. Big players win rings, wing players don't. (Michael Jordan is the exception)

The more I let this trade idea simmer, the more I like it. You do it, of course, for the #2 pick. But, also, if there was a system that could bring Brand back to respectability, it is the Jazz's system.

On top of this, if we were to find out that NJ was jonesing for Turner, we could trade down for Favors and NJ #27 pick. Then, we package Tomic/KK2 and the #27 pick for pick in the 15-20 range and take a shot at one of available wings. That said, my guess is that Favors will go #2.

 

[gregbroncs]

I would think this would be an acceptable deal to the Jazz. They then can with this deal now afford to let Boozer walk for nothing. The length of Brand's contract is troublesome but you can probably use it as an expiring before he plays the last season like you are doing with AK here.

I would rather get a bigger player than Brand but it's better than keeping the current team. Getting Turner would be a great addition IMO.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Actually, I edited my post and took AK's contract out due to the trade. That puts the Jazz in an even better financial position. I said "worst case" would be 15 mins/per. I expect Brand would beat out Millsap and become the starter. If he doesn't, then you have to look at the combined assets:

You're paying $18M for an all-star wing and a very good back-up PF for the next 3 years. Turner >>>>>>>>>>>>> better than anyone the Jazz will ever get in a sign-and-trade for Boozer or for AK's expiring. Deron and Turner would be an unstoppable force.

Jazz could still get under the tax threshold (no Boozer, Korver off the books, etc.) even IF they take on Brand's salary.
Then Brand would have value as an expiring contract in 2 1/2 years.

It's actually closer to $20 M for the first year, and $22.5 M for the third year.

Even then, you have to have Philly on board, and if they think like you, they'll never trade the #2.

I would think this would be an acceptable deal to the Jazz. They then can with this deal now afford to let Boozer walk for nothing. The length of Brand's contract is troublesome but you can probably use it as an expiring before he plays the last season like you are doing with AK here.

I would rather get a bigger player than Brand but it's better than keeping the current team. Getting Turner would be a great addition IMO.

12-13 will have the new CBA, which given where it's likely to go, Brand will be untradeable.

 

[Stifle Tower]

12-13 will have the new CBA, which given where it's likely to go, Brand will be untradeable.

Why would an expiring contract be untradeable?

 

[gregbroncs]

Why would an expiring contract be untradeable?

If there is a hard cap that contract will be very difficult to unload. Also if the Luxury tax cap continues declining (which is likely) then it will become ever more difficult to unload bad contracts.

 

[NAOS]

I would think this would be an acceptable deal to the Jazz. They then can with this deal now afford to let Boozer walk for nothing. The length of Brand's contract is troublesome but you can probably use it as an expiring before he plays the last season like you are doing with AK here.

I would rather get a bigger player than Brand but it's better than keeping the current team. Getting Turner would be a great addition IMO.

I really think the Jazz would be gunning for Favors if they picked up the #2 pick. If NJ wanted Turner, then this is an even better deal for the Jazz. In fact, I'd wager that understanding NJ's desires would factor into their decision to pull the trigger on this deal -- since, essentially, the trade for Brand and #2 would then include an additional asset. The Jazz would have the summer of a lifetime if they could land Favors and another mid-first round pick, selecting someone like Hayward or Bradley. Then select Randle in the 2nd round and you've addressed every problem from last year's roster. (I realize this is the extreme-best case scenario)

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Why would an expiring contract be untradeable?

One of these things is likely to happen with the new CBA, if not more than one:

Smaller salary cap
Hard cap
Harsher luxury tax.

Taking 18 million could end up forcing a team to pay closer to 30 million in luxury taxes. And unless Brand goes gangbusters in his mid thirties, no one will want him for his production, so no team under the cap would want him.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Darkwing-

If I'm not mistaken, TICC already addressed the issue of taking on Brand's contract by stating, if I'm not mistaken, that under a new CBA, his contract might not hurt as bad. I forget why exactly but I trust him on such matters.

The bottom line to me, if we were able to get someone like Favors, we have to do it. A player of his athleticism, size and upside (please don't mention Kwame--he sucked), who plays both ends of the court is very rare.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I really think the Jazz would be gunning for Favors if they picked up the #2 pick. If NJ wanted Turner, then this is an even better deal for the Jazz. In fact, I'd wager that understanding NJ's desires would factor into their decision to pull the trigger on this deal -- since, essentially, the trade for Brand and #2 would then include an additional asset. The Jazz would have the summer of a lifetime if they could land Favors and another mid-first round pick, selecting someone like Hayward or Bradley. Then select Randle in the 2nd round and you've addressed every problem from last year's roster. (I realize this is the extreme-best case scenario)

How would they get another mid-round first?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

The bottom line to me, if we were able to get someone like Favors, we have to do it. A player of his athleticism, size and upside (please don't mention Kwame--he sucked), who plays both ends of the court is very rare.

Doing it for Favors is just downright nutty. Brand is no center, so you'd have 3 PF on the roster with contracts for three years minimum.

And the whole "we can just trade one" is not a good approach because there are no guarantees, just like thinking Turner is an all-star.

 

[default]

Doing it for Favors is just downright nutty. Brand is no center, so you'd have 3 PF on the roster with contracts for three years minimum.

And the whole "we can just trade one" is not a good approach because there are no guarantees, just like thinking Turner is an all-star.

Obviously, you forgot to drink the Kool-Aide before you posted that statement.

 

[NAOS]

How would they get another mid-round first?

say, if NJ wanted to move up to #2, then we could trade down to #3 and pick up their #27. Then we package #27 plus some combination of Tomic, KK2, and the Memphis pick in order to move up to the middle of the first round.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Another option:

Trade AK in basically a salary dump (e.g., New Jersey); re-sign Boozer; draft a potential superstar wing (George, Aminu, Babbit). That gives the Jazz a core of Williams, Boozer and a superstar wing with Miles, Matthews and Millsap. Yes, the Jazz need to develop Fess, Koufos and Tomic for the 5 spot along with Okur. I would also re-sign Korver unless we think the new wing is ready to shoot lights out and play some real defense this year. If the Jazz can't re-sign Boozer, then start Millsap and pick up a FA back-up at PF.

If AK isn't giving us much and he's costing us the ability to sign Boozer or another FA that the Jazz need, you gotta let him go at the first chance and seize this opportunity to replace him with a superstar wing in this draft. The Jazz aren't going to realistically draft a player who can replace Boozer or become a starting PF/C where they are in this draft. I would be willing to draft Whiteside and give him a try, but the Jazz still need an impact player at the wing, and if they see one in this draft they should take him.

 

[NAOS]

Doing it for Favors is just downright nutty. Brand is no center, so you'd have 3 PF on the roster with contracts for three years minimum.

And the whole "we can just trade one" is not a good approach because there are no guarantees, just like thinking Turner is an all-star.

Millsap is very tradable. While there are no guarantees, this is as close as you can get on these sorts of things.

A lot of people are saying that Favors will be able to play the C, but I don't have any personal opinion on this.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I wrote out an option for trading Millsap--along the lines of trading Millsap to Golden State or Detroit to move up a few spots in this draft to get a player the Jazz really want. I didn't think Millsap could get the Jazz all the way to #2, but if Philly wants 9 and Millsap for Brand and 2, I would do this and take Favors in the draft. Otherwise, I don't think it makes sense for the Jazz to move Millsap. The Jazz let Boozer walk and have to find a way to dump AK, but the Jazz would have a real superstar on a rookie contract to team with Williams, Miles, Mathews and Tomic (in a year).

 

[gregbroncs]

i agree with Darkwing. If your trading for Brand then your are not doing so to pick up Favors, It would be because they want Turner or maybe Cousins but I doubt it's for Cousins either.