Interesting trade idea from Locke
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Beantown
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Kobe was not drafted by the Lakers, he was traded to the Lakers.
Technically, yes.......but Arn Tellem was always gonna see that he was a Laker from the first time he stepped on the court as an NBA player.
So I'm a bit confused as to what you're saying here. He said you don't build a title team with FA's and you respond by showing the two finals teams and highlighting they are here through trades and not free agency? KOC does not make moves like the: Garnett, Allen, Gasol (ok, no one but LA can make that...) or Odom trades. He just doesn't. Maybe I'm missing one but he is one of if not the most conservative GM's in the game and maybe pro sports. I'm sure a lot of that comes from ownership, but the point stands.
What he has proven, if only once, is a propensity to be willing to move up and get a guy in the draft. That guy is now the face of the franchise and is the only reason we are a decent team at the moment . He has never proven to: A) get REAL name free agents (I fully concede that this has a lot to do with cap space and players willing to come but the fact remains the same regardless of why), or make a trade for an All star caliber player. So showing what the Lakers and Celtics do is comparing some serious apples and oranges. We don't have the luxury of people wanting to play here badly or a GM that "makes things happen". We have to MAKE all star POTENTIAL guys come here. That, IMO, is the only way we sniff a title again.
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I like the trade idea. However, it would be very uncharacteristic of our ownership to make a high risk/high reward decision like that.
I do believe that the Jazz's offensive system would "resurrect" Elton Brand's career. We have a way of making whoever the "4" is in our offense look good. Even AK's best years playing on the Jazz he played a lot at the "4".
I would be ecstatic with this trade, but I'm not holding my breath.
I do believe that the Jazz's offensive system would "resurrect" Elton Brand's career. We have a way of making whoever the "4" is in our offense look good. Even AK's best years playing on the Jazz he played a lot at the "4".
I would be ecstatic with this trade, but I'm not holding my breath.
TheMulletMutilator
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Because everyone is making up reasons not to take the best big man in the draft. They would rather we trade up to draft Aldrich instead..... yuck.
TheMulletMutilator
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Exactly. Must be nice to have an Ex Laker great GMing the team you are about to make a blockbuster trade with when you are the Lakers. Kwame Brown and a draft pick. Ridiculous.
he said:
it turns out neither the Lakers or Celtics used a single high draft pick (higher than tenth) on any of the players on their teams.
oops, forgot that.
other teams will be targeting that Philly pick. for example, Minnesota could swap picks with Philly and take on Brand and not return any player in the deal, since they are far under the salary cap. or they could include a useless and redundant player like Gomes in the deal.
gregbroncs
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The Celtics used their high draft picks to trade for the player's they wanted. It's still using them whether they kept them or not.
Gyp Rosetti
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dwill#1,
I'll bet you 500 he'll be a bust ala Coleman and Curry.
I'll bet you 500 he'll be a bust ala Coleman and Curry.
AK and #9 For Brand and #2
This is a rummer I heard from Chad Ford that the Sixers are willing to trade the #2 pick if someone is willing to take Elton Brands Contract. Would you consider trading AK and his expiring and our #9 pick for Brand and the #2 pick?
Upside: Brand would be back in a heavy PF reliant offense instead of the run and gun Philly runs. And could come back to being a top PF if given the opportunity. Plus he would fill the void left by Boozer. We would also get Evan Turner.
Downside: Brand may never recover back to form and he has 4 years left on his horrible contract.
I would consider this because Turner could turn out to be as good a Brandon Roy. If that happens then the trade would be worth in IMO.
This is a rummer I heard from Chad Ford that the Sixers are willing to trade the #2 pick if someone is willing to take Elton Brands Contract. Would you consider trading AK and his expiring and our #9 pick for Brand and the #2 pick?
Upside: Brand would be back in a heavy PF reliant offense instead of the run and gun Philly runs. And could come back to being a top PF if given the opportunity. Plus he would fill the void left by Boozer. We would also get Evan Turner.
Downside: Brand may never recover back to form and he has 4 years left on his horrible contract.
I would consider this because Turner could turn out to be as good a Brandon Roy. If that happens then the trade would be worth in IMO.
Captain Morgan is rummer than Bacardi.
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Kyoto
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If the Jazz do that they are setting themselves up for disaster. If there is 4 years left on Brand's contract, then the 'star rookie' they will draft would want a close to max deal in 3 years. That means, if the Jazz just pay for Deron, Brand, and 'rookie', then they would be paying 45-50m in just 3 players. The Jazz would be in the same situation they are in with Boozer and AK. I don't see the Jazz jumping at taking on Brand's contract unless they are positive that Brand would get back to form.
Gyp Rosetti
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I believe there's only three years left on Brand's albatross. I say **** it and roll the dice. If we're honest with ourselves, we're not winning it all organically anyway without some major move like this. So **** it. Pull the trigger. It's not my money. Ya know. But S&T Booze first.
Stifle Tower
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KOC's favorite trading partner is Philly. Even if Brand isn't 100%, he'd only have to play 15 mins/per behind Millsap worst case. And Utah gets a guaranteed all-star in Turner. Turner/Matthews/CJ at the 2/3. I like that.
Eliminate Boozer's contract and Korver's. The trade takes care of AK' salary. That's a combined $33M in savings. What is Brand making, $15M?. And add whatever it takes to re-sign Matthews and Fes. Sign D-Leaguers like Gaines and Jeffers to get to the 13-man limit. That should be enough to take on Brand's salary.
I'd definitely do this, but I doubt Greggy Boy would go for it. It's too risky.
And Philly is probably looking for immediate savings so they can bid on Lebron, Amare, etc. I doubt they'd make the deal. But who knows? I'd put it out there in case they don't get offered anything better.
Eliminate Boozer's contract and Korver's. The trade takes care of AK' salary. That's a combined $33M in savings. What is Brand making, $15M?. And add whatever it takes to re-sign Matthews and Fes. Sign D-Leaguers like Gaines and Jeffers to get to the 13-man limit. That should be enough to take on Brand's salary.
I'd definitely do this, but I doubt Greggy Boy would go for it. It's too risky.
And Philly is probably looking for immediate savings so they can bid on Lebron, Amare, etc. I doubt they'd make the deal. But who knows? I'd put it out there in case they don't get offered anything better.
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