Interesting trade idea from Locke

[NUMBERICA]

Gregbroncs smashing the **** out of some baseballs here.

The Jazz cannot just let contracts expire and do nothing if they want to get better (and that appears to be the plan). I hate to sound like some of the buffoons, but it's true. At that point, what are the Jazz going to do with that supposed cap space anyway (they won't have the money to do anything, regardless of the Jazz's horrendous track-record)?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Oh, I know, they'll hope that they'll end up taking salary off of some other team's hands and get another unprotected draft pick from one of the worst franchises of the decade, right?

 

[billyshelby]

It's interesting to think about what types of bigger deals the Jazz could make with Booze, but the Jazz are almost certainly going to be looking to extract a cheaper asset for him, not take back his whole salary in sign and trade. Purely as a hypothetical, the Jazz and Miami could swap Beasley and Boozer. Say Boozer offers Miami a sweetheart deal starting at 11. Miami gives away 5 million in salary, and thus the advantage of adding Boozer by only cutting 6 million into their cap space. That leaves them with lots of room to maneuver in adding other pieces around Wade/Booze. Utah gets a useless 6 million dollar TPE, but gets something back for Booze. I'm not saying this deal would work, but it's the type of deal I expect--finding teams who have Cap Space who want to sign Boozer at a fraction of the Cap Cost for signing him outright.

 

[billyshelby]

And for what it's worth, Locke doesn't understand the CBA that well. He's thinking in a box. That is, he thinks the Jazz MUST take back Boozer's first year salary as per standard CBA trade rules. They don't, as long as the other team has Cap Space. The Rashard Lewis deal is a prime example. Seattle got a 9 or 10 million dollar TPE. They took back no salary.

 

[dwill#1]

Why does everyone think Cousins will be a bust? He was the best big man in college

 

[Beantown]

here are the key players on the two teams playing in the finals right now:

garnett: trade
allen: trade
pierce: 10th pick in the draft
rondo: 21st pick
davis: 35th pick
perkins: 27th pick
sheed: free agent
kobe: 13th pick
gasol: trade
odom: trade
artest: free agent
bynum: 10th pick
fisher: 24th pick

seems like these two teams were built using trades, free agents and low draft picks, in the same part of the draft the jazz have been picking in year after year.

after this draft the jazz will have TWO players that were picked higher than every one of those guys above.

Kobe was not drafted by the Lakers, he was traded to the Lakers.

 

[Scat]

And Gasol was not traded. He was stolen.

 

[Bodhi]

Kobe was not drafted by the Lakers, he was traded to the Lakers.

Technically, yes.......but Arn Tellem was always gonna see that he was a Laker from the first time he stepped on the court as an NBA player.

 

[Bodhi]

here are the key players on the two teams playing in the finals right now:

garnett: trade
allen: trade
pierce: 10th pick in the draft
rondo: 21st pick
davis: 35th pick
perkins: 27th pick
sheed: free agent
kobe: 13th pick
gasol: trade
odom: trade
artest: free agent
bynum: 10th pick
fisher: 24th pick

seems like these two teams were built using trades, free agents and low draft picks, in the same part of the draft the jazz have been picking in year after year.

after this draft the jazz will have TWO players that were picked higher than every one of those guys above.

So I'm a bit confused as to what you're saying here. He said you don't build a title team with FA's and you respond by showing the two finals teams and highlighting they are here through trades and not free agency? KOC does not make moves like the: Garnett, Allen, Gasol (ok, no one but LA can make that...) or Odom trades. He just doesn't. Maybe I'm missing one but he is one of if not the most conservative GM's in the game and maybe pro sports. I'm sure a lot of that comes from ownership, but the point stands.

What he has proven, if only once, is a propensity to be willing to move up and get a guy in the draft. That guy is now the face of the franchise and is the only reason we are a decent team at the moment . He has never proven to: A) get REAL name free agents (I fully concede that this has a lot to do with cap space and players willing to come but the fact remains the same regardless of why), or make a trade for an All star caliber player. So showing what the Lakers and Celtics do is comparing some serious apples and oranges. We don't have the luxury of people wanting to play here badly or a GM that "makes things happen". We have to MAKE all star POTENTIAL guys come here. That, IMO, is the only way we sniff a title again.

 

[Former Member]

I like the trade idea. However, it would be very uncharacteristic of our ownership to make a high risk/high reward decision like that.

I do believe that the Jazz's offensive system would "resurrect" Elton Brand's career. We have a way of making whoever the "4" is in our offense look good. Even AK's best years playing on the Jazz he played a lot at the "4".

I would be ecstatic with this trade, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[TheMulletMutilator]

Why does everyone think Cousins will be a bust? He was the best big man in college

Because everyone is making up reasons not to take the best big man in the draft. They would rather we trade up to draft Aldrich instead..... yuck.

 

[TheMulletMutilator]

And Gasol was not traded. He was stolen.

Exactly. Must be nice to have an Ex Laker great GMing the team you are about to make a blockbuster trade with when you are the Lakers. Kwame Brown and a draft pick. Ridiculous.