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-the official Alec Burks PG thread-

I approve of this thread, and really any alec burks related thread

I still think he should be playing the shooting guard, but so far he has looked ok at the point and as long as he is getting minutes, i dont care what position he plays.

Keep up the good work, and i will continue to enjoy this thread.
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Nice post. I have always been of the mindset that Burks could be a PG in the NBA. I remember seeing him at Colorado and thinking I think this guy could play PG. I still think the kid has a long way to go but if the Jazz commit to him being a PG and teach him the ins/outs of the pick and roll I think he can become a very good PG.

This summer the Jazz should send him to the John Stockton camp to learn the position. I loved his defensive effort in the chicago game. Right now you can tell that Burks is a little tentative on running the offense due to his lack of experience and not wanting to be yanked if he makes a mistake. However, I think if he is given time to learn the position I think he can become a very good PG.

I also think he needs to move more without the ball and to work on his post up game. With his size he should be able to take smaller guys to the rack. I am not sold on any PG in the draft this year. I would rather get another scorer/player like Goodwin, Olapido or Porter.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
1st post! been a lurker here for long enough, i plan on keeping this thread alive with daily updates, and I wont post anywhere else(i will mention other threads in here tho). obviously things derail, but id really like to focus on when Burks is playing point.

Let me explicitly state im no expert on burks, im not some closet colorado fan, i do watch every jazz game and saw all of his summer league games.

lets start with a few presuppositions

- Burks is 3 months older then michael carter-williams. 1 inch taller and has a 6'10 wingspan. MCW (according to DX) has a wingspan of 6'5 and burks is about 20lbs heavier, a vastly superior athlete, especially if u judge it on fluidity, and is not a shoplifter. MCW obviously has a more old school PG skillset (we shall see how that translates to playing point in the league tho) hes also way less goofy looking

-Burks isnt a Floor General, never will be, hes what Steve Nash calls a 'Super Guard' (nash was referring to D.Rose and Westbrook). the most important thing is, will he be able to break down the defense?(yes) then once the defense is broken, make the right decision.(by the time he masters this you'll love him already). for most super guards the right descision is to draw a foul or finish more often than pass, if you view this as a bad thing, so be it.

-when you start to consider him as a PG hes basically the biggest since Livingston. youl notice his center of gravity and most importantly his dribble are very low for those oversized PG's(wingspan related?) i can really only think of Tyreke Evans(who for all his faults does dribble ridiculously low) burks has an infinitely better attitude, and displays a penchant for realizing when he did something dumb, unlike Evans

-kids a natural getting to the rack, also from the perspective of him as a PG hes a natural at slashing/playing off the ball (yall know. some young pg's look totally clueless without the ball)

-his numbers are in no way flashy as of right now and may never shoot the greatest FG%.... but to me, he looks like the type of scorer who can get half of his PPG from the freethrow line... (like mike:cool:)

-Burks Pre-draft Measurements are eerily similar to John Wall's (lane agility, 3/4 court sprint) the biggest difference is burks standing reach is 2inches more and wall has 3 more inches of vertical

-because of his size hes one of the few PGs you will see off the ball setting screens. that smells like utah jazz basketball to me, stockton used to set screens like a BOSS, im certsin someone has shown him those vids. tonight against the bulls he was setting screens right in the middle of the paint.

-hes hungry but young, hangs his head alittle too much for my liking, but the fact is hes learning a brand new position(that hes oversized for) u gotta cut him some slack... watching his limited crunch time minutes really inclines me to believe there's some hidden MASSIVE UPSIDE.

-Alec wasnt a 5star HS recruit, not even 4star, Rivals had him as 3star, not even in their top 35 sgs in the '08 class. behind names you know like Marcus Denmon, Reggie Jackson, Kim English, Rotnei Clarke, Travis Releford, Mike Rosario, J'covan Brown, Derozan, William Buford Scotty Hopson and Klay Thompson and many no names... in just 2 years he progressed to the 13th pick in the draft. (think its safe to say hes got plenty of upside at a new position)

one of the main reasons why i made an account to discuss Burks, is the Incoming 2013 PG class and some of the hysteria ive seen on this board relating to it. if we reach for any of these PG's ima be fuuuurious(especially if Goodwin, Olapido, or Otto Porter or KOC's BPA are on the board). when the trey burke brigade arrives, id like to ask you not tell me how his demeanor is or skillsets, why hes better than the other college point guards or player comparisons (the same things in the Draft thread), im much more interested in this; How does he stack up against the top 20pgs in the league(furthermore the ability to not get absolutely destroyed by the top 5pgs), do you think he will be effective vs them? id like to explore this with Burks moving forward too.

im gonna steamroll this thread like im talking to myself or building evidence and i just want it dated out & in the open for all to see, for a big i told u so at a later point in time, please join in on the fun!
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i stopped reading halfway through because im presuming you not watching his minutes on the floor...

He's NOT a PG or even a hybrid PG!! He's an average ball-handler at SG & below-average when playing the point. He picks up his dribble too much & needs to shield himself from defenders with his body because of his dribbling abilities. Maybe his confidence in his own abilities is making him tentative but he's NOT our answer to playing point.

One of Alec's pros was his ability to get to the rim but he's only taken 4 FTs this month (5 games). He's hitting 3s, which is a nice surprise to me but him taking those over Earl is +
 
franklin said:
Rany D Foye broke down the defense way better than Burks did last night.
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Ya, burks broke the defense down and got to the rim alot more last year when he was used as a shooting guard. (like he should be used now)

It seems that he has been coached to dribble the ball up and get the offense into the proper sets (dump the ball into the post), so he is not attacking like he could and should be.
Just some more bad coaching.... but hey at least burks is getting some minutes :)
 
I like Burks at the the point. He isnt a natural pointguard but he has come along way since summer camp. He isnt just trying to break down defenses while he is playing, which I think is good. That is not how the offense is set up and Burks needs to learn to set his teammates up. Right now he is a serviceable backup and if he continues to work on his ball handling skills and playrunning, he could be starting material. I would particuarly like him running the pick and roll with favors.
 
I've been on the Burks should try PG wagon for a while. The game is changing and teams are winning with Super Guards.
Burks' biggest hurdle is ball handling. He's just not good enough to hold the ball during crunch time right now but ball handling comes from hard work...im sure he can do it.

Oh and Burks and Hayward at 1,2 >>> Burks and Hayward at 2,3
 
Weezur said:
Oh and Burks and Hayward at 1,2 >>> Burks and Hayward at 2,3
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I don't know that i care so much that his THE point guard as much as i'm interested in him getting PnR skills. Ginoboli is not a PG but he's great at working the PnR - he finishes so well and passes so well, and operates the offense when Parker is out. Why not burks? We all know of Burks' skills at going to the hole. His ability to do the two PnR passes last night (until Bulls clamped down) were great signs. I'm fully convinced Favors can be PnR beast. (Kanter PnR TBD) But we need a PnR set of guards. I think Burks is one of them - if he buys into that plan for him. (I had high hopes for MoWill on this front.) I think Hayward has the right mindset and skills to be part of this same plan. (I don't think he'll be PnR master, but can key element of the whole system.)
 
I will just say that there was about a half dozen play last night from Burks that I was very impressed with. They were PG type plays.

His defense was great on Robinson too.

I wish he would take it to the rim more. I have been waiting for a jaw dropping play from him since he started getting so much playing time.
 
orangello said:
I will just say that there was about a half dozen play last night from Burks that I was very impressed with. They were PG type plays.

His defense was great on Robinson too.

I wish he would take it to the rim more. I have been waiting for a jaw dropping play from him since he started getting so much playing time.
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I have been waiting for a jaw dropping play from him too...... The closest thing he did lately was the "houdini" play were he split the defenders and double pumped under the big down low for a layup.
 
fishonjazz said:
I have been waiting for a jaw dropping play from him too...... The closest thing he did lately was the "houdini" play were he split the defenders and double pumped under the big down low for a layup.
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I can do that and I'm a chubby midget. Not even close to jaw dropping.
 
Burks has looked MUCH better running the point these last two games .... He looked pretty bad as a PG against the Kings though .... I'm optimistic he can keep it up. He has shown a ton more patience lately, he will pass up ok shots to run the offense, will pull it out and reset the offense, hopefully I will be eating crow in the near future.
 
orangello said:
I will just say that there was about a half dozen play last night from Burks that I was very impressed with. They were PG type plays.

His defense was greater than great on Robinson too.

I wish he would take it to the rim more. I have been waiting for a jaw dropping play from him since he started getting so much playing time.
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Fixed. A 6'6'' guard who took out one of the fastest 5'8'' guards in the league? Some elite athleticism right there IMO.
 
I wouldnt be giving Burks a handy for shutting down Nate Robinson, he had a good quarter but overall he is not a very good player. When he does well against a real PG like DWill, Paul, Irving then I will be really impressed.
 
The Burks love on here is ridiculous. His handle is average at best. Out of 333 guys, he's 289th in TS% and 290th in PER.
 
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