Twin Towers
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Agreed. That was a disturbing post. I am creeped out by this board now.
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Agreed. That was a disturbing post. I am creeped out by this board now.
While I would normally think that not being one of your former students would increase the chance of the reporter's quote being accurate, in this case, the odds of O'Connor making any sort of guarantee are basically non-existent. I can certainly see where he might have made a comment along the lines of "I expect he'll be with the team when the seasons starts", and some over-eager reporter interpreted that as a guarantee. It seems to be a common failing among journalism students and their instructors. I find myself reasonably assured that O'Connor never made a guarantee or anything resembling one.
There is no "likely", because it is meaningless to discuss the probabilitiy of a determined event.
I could never maintain the affectation to the degree Hopper does, and would never try to steal it from him regardless.
The guy put the words in quotes. And he is not a beginner. Beginning reporters do not start out at the level of the DesNews. Why don't you ask the reporter instead of debating me. In fact, I'll call him up and put the issue to rest. But I trust that an experienced reporter with the DesNews would not put quotes around a comment unless it was what the respondent said, especially when using such an emphatic word like guarantee. Oh, it's possible I'm wrong. I won't guarantee I'm right in this case but I think it's most unlikely.
On another note, then if you're not Hopper, you're awfully close to this guy and know him much better than anyone here. I think we can all agree on that. What I would like to know is why he maintains such secrecy about his identity and why he uses this affected pose. Can you enlighten us on that?
On another note, then if you're not Hopper, you're awfully close to this guy and know him much better than anyone here. I think we can all agree on that. What I would like to know is why he maintains such secrecy about his identity and why he uses this affected pose. Can you enlighten us on that?
Not one quoted word of O'Connor's says that O'Connor made a guarantee. O'Connor explicitly says he made no guarantee. I have not seen one speck of evidence O'Connor made a guarantee. Your contention that
has been unfounded and unsupported, and your attempts to retcon the statement have failed. Confirming by a reporter that he made accurate quotes in an article does not rescue your contention. A wise man would stop pursuing this discussion. You, however, will likely continue.
I'm not close to him and don't know him. I disagree him much more often than I agree with him. I find his anti-certainty position to be excessive, and effectively translating into anti-science and a willingness to treat woo and crackery on the same level as science. I get as annoyed with him as just about anyone else on the board.
No, I can't. I can speculate on reasons a person like me might do that, but I have no idea if Hopper is anything like I am.
It doesn't. I'm just neurotic. Feel free to move on.
My sentiment wasn't primarily directed at you, so I'll be a little more specific; WHY DOES IT MATTER IF SOMEONE HAS MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS, NOTWITHSTANDING THAT WRITE4U IS UP IN THE ****ING NIGHT, REGARDLESS.
Thank you.
Eric, here's the quote I'm referring to. You may have overlooked it:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700069113/Utah-Jazz-New-look-Andrei-Kirilenko-fields-questions.html
And this is what started this whole thing. Because people kept insisting not only that he didn't say this but that he would never say this. But there it is, in black and white, and in quotations put there by an experienced reporter who would never put quotes around an emphatic statement like that unless KOC actually said it.
I do agree with you and others that O'Connor might say this about anyone but Deron or Big Al (since they just traded for him). However, considering AK's salary and the fact that the Jazz were in serious talks about trading AK, I think this quote has more significance.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700069113/Utah-Jazz-New-look-Andrei-Kirilenko-fields-questions.html
And this is what started this whole thing. Because people kept insisting not only that he didn't say this but that he would never say this. But there it is, in black and white, and in quotations put there by an experienced reporter who would never put quotes around an emphatic statement like that unless KOC actually said it.
I do agree with you and others that O'Connor might say this about anyone but Deron or Big Al (since they just traded for him). However, considering AK's salary and the fact that the Jazz were in serious talks about trading AK, I think this quote has more significance.
No, it isn't. Not one person has questions that quote.
This is what started the whole thing:
, because O'Connor never made the guarantee, so there was nothing to back off from.
If you like, I can try to explain this fifty more times, using increasinly simpler words. Perhaps at one point, we will reach your comprehension threshold. Perhaps not.
Nonesense. O'Connor would never make that guarantee about Williams, either. Jefferson, only if NBA rule forbid sucha trade (I'm not sure if they do, or not).
What the reporter said was, that he backed off his earlier statement that Kirilenko "will be" with the Jazz at the start of the season ... I mean you can quibble about language, but I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Why are you being so ridiculously anal? Maybe he didn't use the word guarantee in the earlier statement (I did say I didn't read the earlier statement), but I don't think there is a significant difference here. George Foreman might say if you get my grill, you will be eating the best burgers you've ever had in your life -- the guarantee, is for emphasis. It doesn't add much meaning. Do you think when you have to be so exact in cases that don't require the need for it, that maybe your condition is beyond neurotic, that it's bordering on psychotic?
Marty McFly
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Listen. We all saw that quote. We were saying that KOC never guaranteed that AK WOULD BE here to start the season. WE STILL have NO QUOTE saying this. All the reporter put in quotes is "will be." Reports take everything out of context and without a complete quote from O'Connor, we can assume he's never guaranteed that AK will be here to start the season. Therefore, there is NOTHING for KOC to "back off" from. If you want to make a point here, find the quote of KOC using the words "will be" or "guaranteeing" that AK will stay with the Jazz. This quote that you posted is not even relevant at all to the discussion we were having.
Holy crap. Has anyone ever seen that Office episode when Michael is telling Oscar to explain "surplus" to him like he was 10? He doesn't get it, so he says "now explain it to me like I'm 5" and Oscar explains it to him in terms of lemonade stands?
You guys are going to drive me nuts. This was in the same story as the other quote when he used the word guarantee. I have posted this link several times already. Why don't you read the story:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700069113/Utah-Jazz-New-look-Andrei-Kirilenko-fields-questions.html
As I said, he made a statement, but I never saw it and am not sure when he made it, but the reporter is referring to it, so obviously he did make it.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700069113/Utah-Jazz-New-look-Andrei-Kirilenko-fields-questions.html
As I said, he made a statement, but I never saw it and am not sure when he made it, but the reporter is referring to it, so obviously he did make it.
Archie Moses
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Already happened.
Marty McFly
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Holy ****. We know. I just don't get why you even posted that quote from KOC saying "Can I guarantee that he's going to be here? No." as if it supported your point or something. It's a totally different quote and has nothing to do with the argument about KOC "backing off his statement."
unluckyseventeen
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Let the pissing match begin!!
Marty McFly
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I'm done here. I'm gonna go take the truck for a spin with Jennifer.
Then the reporter was *wrong*. O'Connor has *never* made such a statement. O'Connor won't even make statements like that about Williams.
Unless the reporter was wrong about that unquoted statement existing.
How can you know the reporter was wrong, One Brow? Did KOC tell you? Unless you've been at all the press conferences and heard everything KOC said ??? Sounds like you're engaging in the tactics of "denial of facts as truth" as described by Orwell in Animal Farm and 1984, that if you tell a lie long enough, it becomes true, similar to the tactics used by the *****. You say KOC "never" has made such a statement, but the reporter reported that he did. If you were a competing reporter I might believe you, but you're not.
And McFly, your comment makes no sense at all ... KOC apparently stated that AK would be with the Jazz at the start of the season but backed off it, and said he couldn't guarantee it now, which apparently means he made this before the Carmello trade developed. Makes perfect sense to me. I guess I need to contact the reporter so that we can settle this once and for all.
And McFly, your comment makes no sense at all ... KOC apparently stated that AK would be with the Jazz at the start of the season but backed off it, and said he couldn't guarantee it now, which apparently means he made this before the Carmello trade developed. Makes perfect sense to me. I guess I need to contact the reporter so that we can settle this once and for all.
Even from Illinois, I've heard enough O'Connor press conferences to know what he does and doesn't say regarding trades. A reporter making an error is simply much more likely than O'Connor changing his shtick. I see reporter make errors all the time. I never see O'Conor call someone untouchable.
I expect nothing else from you.