Hartsock
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A few bounces here and there, a few rebounds at the end of games, a few made free throws down the stretch, a few less Ty mistakes ..... They could have gotten up to 6 but that would have been over achieving IMO.
kurt kragthorpe hits the nail on the head
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A few bounces here and there, a few rebounds at the end of games, a few made free throws down the stretch, a few less Ty mistakes ..... They could have gotten up to 6 but that would have been over achieving IMO.
Hartsock
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Yep, what about keeping Paul and Vazquez from getting to the rim? Thats on the PG or whomever was guarding them, Favors would probably have helped more than Al but there are so many layers to these things and everyone is over simplifying it and blaming 1 guy.
I've just seen too many brain dead moments and am too aware that the team has gotten worse despite that they're obviously supposed to be significantly better. Perhaps Houston and GS got that much better but the Lakers got immensely worse. Jazz should be in the mix with GS and Houston but wil miss the playoffs.
Scorpjazz
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Ah, hindsight is nice, we are all so smart now. No promise that any other coach would have done things different and if they had, they might have made other mistakes that Corbin didn't.
I hope the Jazz let him go and find someone new, but blaming him for losses is silly, IMO, with no promise that it would have been different with someone else. Its all a guessing game. YES, I know some of the mistakes seem obvious. Yes, you can nitpick this one and that one and say so and so would never have made that mistake. BUT, they probably would have made another mistake and we would over all be in the same place. There are a couple, maybe 3-4 coaches who are head and shoulders above the rest. All the rest are similar, wouldn't matter. PLAYERS win and lose games. I know coaches 'put them in a position to win'. If someone else makes a 3 earlier in the game, the winning layup by the other team doesn't happen. Its all a big hindsight is 20/20 thing, sorry.
Corbin's biggest failure, TO ME, is not playing the young guys more so we would actually be hopeful for improvement next year. NOW we get to hope maybe next year they get time to get better when we should know by now IF they are what we want or not.
I hope the Jazz let him go and find someone new, but blaming him for losses is silly, IMO, with no promise that it would have been different with someone else. Its all a guessing game. YES, I know some of the mistakes seem obvious. Yes, you can nitpick this one and that one and say so and so would never have made that mistake. BUT, they probably would have made another mistake and we would over all be in the same place. There are a couple, maybe 3-4 coaches who are head and shoulders above the rest. All the rest are similar, wouldn't matter. PLAYERS win and lose games. I know coaches 'put them in a position to win'. If someone else makes a 3 earlier in the game, the winning layup by the other team doesn't happen. Its all a big hindsight is 20/20 thing, sorry.
Corbin's biggest failure, TO ME, is not playing the young guys more so we would actually be hopeful for improvement next year. NOW we get to hope maybe next year they get time to get better when we should know by now IF they are what we want or not.
Hartsock
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I bet you could drum up some Anti - Pop drivel if you tried.
Who wants to bet if I care what other teams are saying? It would have no bearing on if we are right or wrong.
What should that matter? The Jazz FO already knows what they have and Corbin has allocated minutes accordingly. Sure it frustrates fans as we want to be a part of the game as much as possible, but it's bad strategy to cater to that fan desire.
Besides, Corbin really focused on developing these young guys and all indications are that he's as good as anyone in the league at developing raw talent.
Getting Traded
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DeMarre DNPs after inspired play
Keeping in Foye and Marvin when they suck
Benching Favors after 3 qtrs of 23-15-5
Countless busted plays after timeouts
Failure to motivate the team for crucial games
Letting Mo chuck at will
Missed some others people posted because I hadn't gotten to the end of the thread -- but there must be at least 20 now.
I'm sure there are many more -- for example, a bunch of games down the stretch when Corbin's poor decision-making cost us the game.
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NAOS
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Tired yet?
Also, as a long-time Patriot fan, let me assure you that you'll find no shortage of drivel from Boston sports fans. So, again, you tired braugh?
Chicago fans went ape **** on Tom Thibodeau for overplaying D. Rose too much unlike Poppovich would.
The Boston media slaughtered Doc Rivers the years before their championship. Now he's considered one of the best.
The Miami and national media killed Erik Spoelstra in his first 1.5 years, even though he's pretty much the basketball coaching prodigy genius.
Fans and even the media "analysts" just don't know enough about the game to analyze coaches. (/Ty Corbin speech.)
What generally happen is one guy on a message board starts something like the "force middle" movement, and a bunch of clueless fans who hadn't given the slightest thought to defensive strategy will latch onto that teat and make it the dominant thought for the next five years. You want current proof, look at all these "hide Jefferson" threads that have zero substance as to what specific strategy should be employed. "Hide Jefferson" is implicated and that's as far as the thought process goes. They haven't a single suggestion to what Corbin SHOULD do, but think he's stupid for not doing it anyway.
You're now the third ever poster on my ignore list, and the only one I didn't want to put on. Let me know when you're done trolling me and I'll gladly put you back on the playground.
Batman
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Yes, there is validity in what you are saying.
gregbroncs
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I'm not sure it's 50 win good. But its 5th or 6th seed good. With a real coach at least.
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So if that is your opinion than why can't the conclusion be that the Jazz are tanking via coaching (letting him learn to see if he's good enough to keep and if not find another one) while the team is young and not supposed to be good. Last year over achieved this year under achieved.
So instead of going through the dumping vets only playing young'ins to get bad they put in Corbin who according to what I'm reading lost way more games then the players ever could lose.
See the Jazz tank like people want and those same people still complain because it's not the tank the way they want.
The Thriller
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Marvin Williams is playing tonight. Ahead of Carroll. Where are you hartsock? Defend this decision please.
The Thriller
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Hartsock, where are ya bud? You watching this?
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Marvin sucks so bad. Why does he keep playing. But tonight Mo is even worse. Gotta get rid of those guys.
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Jazz tank like people want?
I have never seen anyone say that they want the jazz to play sap, jeffy, mo, and foye 30 minutes per game with a healthy amount of marvin and tinsley sprinkled in
Also fighting for the 8th spot is not tanking