scootsy
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lol at your comparison. Okc got the 8th seed in durants third season and didn't really take off as a team until his 4th season. Still were bottomfeeders. And we have no one near Durant and westbrooks level.
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lol at your comparison. Okc got the 8th seed in durants third season and didn't really take off as a team until his 4th season. Still were bottomfeeders. And we have no one near Durant and westbrooks level.
Stifle Tower
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So we may be a year behind since their young guys started getting significant mins from Day 1.
Yes, I agree the Jazz don't have a Durant. But Utah may have 4 very, very good players and just need a solid PG to have an excellent starting unit. But we'll never know until they have a chance to play. I'd support this team 100% if Kanter, Favors, Burks and Hayward all played 30+ mins and the team lost 40-50 games.
What I don't agree with/support is bringing in old vet after old vet and STILL losing 40 games. while ignoring development of players who would likely be MUCH better than those vets in 1/2 season IF given playing time.
Agreed with all these comments.
Also re OKC - Durant and Westbrook got heavy minutes early and often. Look at Klay Thompson who started all of last year, he has blossomed into a decent starter now next to Curry. He doesn't seem to have been affected by the "tanking" they did last year. If anything he has benefitted from it.
It's time to start the young.
David Stern
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I'm going to bring up the point that in the case of OKC, Durant was amazing in college, and sure he had to develop, but was an All-Star from day 1. Westbrook/Harden were good at the beginning, both semi-projects.
In the case of the Jazz, we started our rebuild with 2 VERY raw Top-3 big men who were not ready from day 1 to assume major minutes. They are now, but having Millsap/Jefferson ease them into things probably will be a positive in the long run. Unless of course we resign one of them.
In the case of the Jazz, we started our rebuild with 2 VERY raw Top-3 big men who were not ready from day 1 to assume major minutes. They are now, but having Millsap/Jefferson ease them into things probably will be a positive in the long run. Unless of course we resign one of them.
Once every 3 years or so there might be a good draft coming along. That doesnt mean the Jazz should continue to suck until that. Drafts are crapshoots. Even in a great draft sometimes beyond the top 4 or 5 picks you dont get surefire all stars.
I definitely dont want to be in rebuild mode even in 2015. Jazz need to take a call NOW
They need to re-evaluate theuir young talent, find out who is worth keeping in the long run, who is likely to stay here for less money and son. Package the others in a trade, if you cant sign a vet a a FA.
You can win only by a combination of young guys and vets. Developing 5 or 6 lotto picks all at the same time and paying them all together to retain them is a pipe dream. I cant recally any team that has done that. There is no model for that and certainly the Jazz havent done this before yet. At the most, teams will be able to keep 2 or 3 lotto picks at best, if they are really good.
Heck, even the Thunder couldnt keep Harden and that could hurt them this year.
If your argument is that the Jazz can easily keep all their current lotto picks because none of them is all star or superstar talent and they will all sign with Jazz for less money, then my argument would be that if none of them is that good, then should we really keep them all? It would only make us a 5th seed at best.
The Fresh Prince
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We've been developing these guys for 3 years, and we have a **** ton of cap space. So we obviously aren't just going to be playing the core four.
Don't see a 40 loss season coming next year, think that O'Connor has enough brain to use his money wisely.
DutchJazzer
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how abot OKC DenVer and warriors!
Sneakers
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Rofl yeah ok Brad Rock. He didn't even list one reason
Yeah I can see how it would be problematic having too many picks & promising young players on our roster.
Jazz4ever
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They aren't going to sign anyone of consequence. Favors and Hayward will be due for huge deals at the end of next year. Kanter and Burks the following. If you give someone like Cuban or Allen an opening, they will offer a front loaded deal with signing bonus that will bring Greggy boy to tears.
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For GSW- Curry is finishing his 4th yr and his contract extension will kick after this season, David Lee 8th yr in the league, Bogut 8th year in the league, Klay Thompson finishing his 2nd yr and fits your description and played a lot of minutes however the rookie Harrison Barnes did not contribute all that much and if you look at the rest of their roster that contributes it is vets. Jarret Jack in his 8th year, Biedrins in his 9th yr, Carl Laundry in his 6th year, Richard Jefferson finishing his 12th year in the league.
Lets look and Denver - Ty Lawson not as elite as Curry but a very good PG and also finishing his 4th yr and his extension is about to kick in next year as well, Danilo Gallinari he is finishing his 5th year and his contract extension will also kick in next year, Iggy is finishing his 9th season, Andrea Miller finishing his 14th year, Koufos finishing his 5th yr, Wilson Chandler finishing his 6th, Javelle McGee finishing his 5th, Corey Brewer finishing his 6th year and Kenneth Farried fits as he is finishing his 2nd year.
So they are young teams but have a balance of veterans and guys coming off rookie contracts into their extensions and one or two promising players still in their rookie contracts.
But it doesn't matter you believe what you want and keep spreading miss-information and negativity.
For me I have hope that if the Jazz young players pan out like they and most of us all hope and can get a PG they aren't far off that same pattern as those two teams.
I think the emphasis on the draft is simply being able to get 1 or 2 elite players....the kind no team will likely trade, and that Utah is not likely to attract through free agency.
Of course, then the Jazz will do the best they can with trades and free agency.
Of course, then the Jazz will do the best they can with trades and free agency.
to what end? You want to just have a collection of picks on the roster, thats it? when and how are you going to compete for achampionship?
If the Jazz have already identified their core 4, then why do they need more "promising young players" via drafts? Round out the roster with a solid supporting cast, hand over the reigns to Hayward and Favors and see what they are made of. Atleast next year we are guaranteed to have all of the "Big 4". So we might as well see whoare the keepers in the long run
You're from England, bro?
Why is it so important the fans know their value?
I think you're attacking a point he wasn't making and I'm sure you know that. If you're suggesting that teams know exactly what they have because of projecting advanced stats and evaluation in practice, you're wrong. At this point, that's mostly what there is with 3/4 of The Four.
No one ever knows exactly what they have for players aged 20 and 21. The real question is whether, and to degree, they know better from game time as opposed to practice time. I would argue that the difference is small, if it exists at all.