Soccer referee in coma after being punched by unhappy teenager player.

[Deleted member 365]

Wow! If this happened in this particular league, then the league needs to be disbanded IMMEDIATELY. As for the father, why in the hell was he still reffing? If players had done that to me, I'd no longer be reffing. And it would be interesting to hear if any of the other boys had been punished for these previous assaults. If not, and the assaults had occurred in this league, the league is partly to blame for Portillo's death.

Football.

After all we have learned in the past few years about brain injuries, why do so many still play football? Love for the sport.

This man loved the sport. Despite his life being threatened through fights, he preferred to do something he loved.

So while I agree with you in a way I also see myself doing stupid things too.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Here ya go:

https://m.si.com/1832537/corinthians-says-teenage-fans-death-an-accident/

SAO PAULO (AP) — The death in the stands of a 14-year-old boy during Corinthians’ match in Bolivia was an accident and the team and its fans weren’t to blame, the president of the Brazilian club said on Thursday.
Bolivian Kevin Beltran Espada was killed after he was hit in the face by a flare apparently thrown by someone in the Corinthians fan section during a Copa Libertadores match against San Jose on Wednesday.

This happened just in feb. freaking flares to a pro soccer game. Imagine what happens in the smaller clubs, smaller arenas, and local (gang) rivalries when the security is even less?

It's this type of stupidity and poor sportsmanship which dominates Latino leagues. This incident just received publicity here because the man went into a coma and died. Had he gotten up, the player been ejected, it would have just been another day on the field.

 

[bigb]

Unusual to some Americans? Yes.

Unusual for Latin America soccer leagues here in America? Nope.

One should visit these fields across the street from Provo high and the hospital on weekends. Latino leagues play there. There are always a few fights and tons of garbage left all over the place. In Latin America, this type of behavior is acceptable. No pride is taken in caring for public facilities, trashing the field is a given, and fights is almost a requirement. Anyone who has visited central or South America knows this to be true.

What we saw in Detroit a few years back is what countries down south see every single week. Here in Utah we freaked out a few years ago when a few fans threw water bottles at the refs after a bad game. In central and South America? They throw flares, torches, balloons filled with urine, and batteries.

I hope it serves as a wake up call for those in our community. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure in a week or two it will be business as usual.

Umm, I lived in Central America and never saw or heard of any of the stuff you just mentioned. I lived down the street from the National Stadium in Honduras and can honestly say that I witnessed NONE of that stuff while I was there. But keep making stereotypical arguments.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Unusual to some Americans? Yes.

Unusual for Latin America soccer leagues here in America? Nope.

One should visit these fields across the street from Provo high and the hospital on weekends. Latino leagues play there. There are always a few fights and tons of garbage left all over the place. In Latin America, this type of behavior is acceptable. No pride is taken in caring for public facilities, trashing the field is a given, and fights is almost a requirement. Anyone who has visited central or South America knows this to be true.

What we saw in Detroit a few years back is what countries down south see every single week. Here in Utah we freaked out a few years ago when a few fans threw water bottles at the refs after a bad game. In central and South America? They throw flares, torches, balloons filled with urine, and batteries.

I hope it serves as a wake up call for those in our community. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure in a week or two it will be business as usual.

If this is the case, the leagues should be prohibited from playing on public fields. I'm actively involved in AYSO in So CA. If we leave trash on the HS, Jr. High or elementary school fields, we hear about it. In fact, at the end of each Sat., I guarantee you the division reps are walking the fields cleaning up. Players, coaches and parents are required to sign code of conduct forms. Each team provides "field monitors" for games before or after theirs. If there are problems with parents, the FM will call over the AYSO representative. Parents, players and coaches can be and have been banned for a few games or entire seasons. Sounds like this latino league needs to be have their playing permits revoked.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Umm, I lived in Central America and never saw or heard of any of the stuff you just mentioned. I lived down the street from the National Stadium in Honduras and can honestly say that I witnessed NONE of that stuff while I was there. But keep making stereotypical arguments.

Exception to the rule I guess.

 

[Deleted member 365]

If this is the case, the leagues should be prohibited from playing on public fields. I'm actively involved in AYSO in So CA. If we leave trash on the HS, Jr. High or elementary school fields, we hear about it. In fact, at the end of each Sat., I guarantee you the division reps are walking the fields cleaning up. Players, coaches and parents are required to sign code of conduct forms. Each team provides "field monitors" for games before or after theirs. If there are problems with parents, the FM will call over the AYSO representative. Parents, players and coaches can be and have been banned for a few games or entire seasons. Sounds like this latino league needs to be have their playing permits revoked.

Utah schools are so desperate for money they really don't care.

Besides, only the students, coaches, and those actually using those fields will ever care.

So Cal is a lil different because the nicest schools and fields are owned by private institutions. Not the case here in Utah where the only private schools that anyone ever cares about is Juan Diego and BYU.

Provo High School in the past has donated their facilities to BYU sports. Guess what happens to the fields?
Provo High School currently lets latino leagues tear up their facilities on weekends. Yeah, a few students each year suffer knee and ankle injuries due to holes. A few classes have even been canceled due to the fields being destroyed so badly. Instead of actually having a PE class the PE classes are used to clean the fields. Yay, play janitor and groundskeeper for 80 minutes because of irresponsible and selfish Latino soccer leagues on Saturday and Sunday!

But ultimately, the public just doesn't care. Ultimately, the money they gain by these leagues is deemed more important by the principal and superintendent. The only alternative is to raise taxes/push through a bond. We all know that is a huge nono.

 

[Nate505]

Well I was always short and skinny growing up (people always called me "skinny bones" as a taunt) so people often made the mistake of thinking I was an easy target. I had a three warning rule where is tell them to leave me alone then I'd punch them in the face. Can't remember one time where my plea to be left alone was respected. I also can't remember as single time when someone tried to **** with me again after I punched them in the face.

One advantage, I guess, you have is that you were smaller and hitting a larger person. When a larger person (in this case the teenager was heavier than the ref) hits a smaller person the punch has more force. Combined with it being a sucker punch, and well, death can happen.

There is definitely some bad luck and circumstance in why the guy died, but ultimately he died because some dumb kid couldn't control his temper and cheap shotted someone smaller than him in the head. This isn't even a fight that went wrong, this was a cheap shot that went wrong, so I don't have much sympathy for this kid if he gets the proverbial book thrown at him.

 

[Stoked]

Umm, I lived in Central America and never saw or heard of any of the stuff you just mentioned. I lived down the street from the National Stadium in Honduras and can honestly say that I witnessed NONE of that stuff while I was there. But keep making stereotypical arguments.

While I never saw full scale riots I had people threaten my with things from robber to death when the US played Honduras. Anytime the national chanmpionship game was played some people celebrated by firing weapons. Ive also seen a couple fights break out between two groups of fans.

 

[Gameface]

One advantage, I guess, you have is that you were smaller and hitting a larger person. When a larger person (in this case the teenager was heavier than the ref) hits a smaller person the punch has more force. Combined with it being a sucker punch, and well, death can happen.

There is definitely some bad luck and circumstance in why the guy died, but ultimately he died because some dumb kid couldn't control his temper and cheap shotted someone smaller than him in the head. This isn't even a fight that went wrong, this was a cheap shot that went wrong, so I don't have much sympathy for this kid if he gets the proverbial book thrown at him.

However clear I try to make it that I don't give a **** about this kid or what happens to him people always assume my stand against excessive vengeance based punishment is due to my concern for (in this case) the kid. That's not correct, society is the loser here. That's what I'm trying to point out.

The idea that a 17 year old is a lost cause based only on the information that he's hispanic and he took a cheap shot at a ref seems pretty ridiculous to me. People saying that are just emotionally reacting to the death of the ref and looking to hurt the person responsible.

 

[Stoked]

However clear I try to make it that I don't give a **** about this kid or what happens to him people always assume my stand against excessive vengeance based punishment is due to my concern for (in this case) the kid. That's not correct, society is the loser here. That's what I'm trying to point out.

The idea that a 17 year old is a lost cause based only on the information that he's hispanic and he took a cheap shot at a ref seems pretty ridiculous to me. People saying that are just emotionally reacting to the death of the ref and looking to hurt the person responsible.

Are you generally in favor of the death penalty?

Kid ruined his life in a moment of anger when he performed an act that has a low probability of death. I bet they go for mansluaghter or 2nd degree.

 

[Stifle Tower]

So Cal is a lil different because the nicest schools and fields are owned by private institutions. Not the case here in Utah where the only private schools that anyone ever cares about is Juan Diego and BYU.


But ultimately, the public just doesn't care. Ultimately, the money they gain by these leagues is deemed more important by the principal and superintendent. The only alternative is to raise taxes/push through a bond. We all know that is a huge nono.

Not true with the fields AYSO uses. We lease fields for practices and games from the school districts. None are private. Just two weeks ago, the AYSO region sent an e-mail to all parents about parking on the outdoor basketball courts with a warning we could lose our field if that practice continued. Know what happened this week? ZERO cars pulled through the parking lot onto the courts. Make the league accountable and behavior will change. If it doesn't, they need to lose their privileges. Sure, it costs the school district money; but it costs more to repair the fields.

 

[nightmare3983]

The teenager is being charged with homicide by assault, with the district attorney looking to try him as an adult.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...7b9e42-b80c-11e2-b568-6917f6ac6d9d_story.html